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[KingSaeward]

For what its worth, I don't belive the whole DNA test works even if you did try, espeically the paternal line in males which is passed father to son without any genetic difference. If your fathers lineage hasn't had some kind of mutation it is quite possible on a DNA test you could look Spanish, Romanian or even Middle Eastern. Your fathers line may have been in England for a thousand years yet still look foreign on paper because your fathers line began many miles away a few thousand years ago.

There was a programme on the BBC with the Scottish bloke from Coast. In that he was told his Fathers line was central European, but his Mothers line was strictly Scottish. Its obvious how it came about, female genes change, male ones don't. Obviously the BBC fails to point this out because they want to futher the idea that we are an Island of mongrels.

In my eyes, if your evidently white and your family is English then your English. I think the lines blur with regards to our neighbours but I believe there is enough shared ancestry to overlook this. I know my missus is an eighth Irish, but it would be stupid in my view to say she wasn't English.

[Andy]

KingSaeward: I also pay no attention to DNA in defining the English.

Most people can trace their ancestry back two generations above their own (parents and grandparents).  This ancestry predates mass immigration therefore if one of your parents is English and one of his/her parents is English the likelyhood is that you will have an ancestral line back to Anglo Saxon England.
If you have this link (minimum in my opinion) and have English identity then your English.

But you MUST have English identity and at least a single English ancestral link.

Nobody makes anything of DNA in relation to Pakistanis or Africans they are identified based on their identity.  I wouldnt be rejected as being Pakistani because of my DNA, I would be rejected because I dont have Pakistani identity after identity my ancestry would be used against my claim.

[Steven]

Yes Andy, you can't define who is English from DNA, a ridiculous asumption. It would be like trying to discover where someone was from by looking at their blood group. However, if you are from peasant stock and can trace your lineage back to, say the Industrial Revolution, the chances you are English is about as certain as you can get - folk did not move around and had not since before the Norman Conquest. English accents, from Janner to Geordie, proves we had a homogenous population for hundreds of years. Before mass Third World immigation came to blight our lives Europe was considered the most homogenous continent on earth. The experts accept who we are: social historians and cultural anthropologists. It's those with a political agenda who don't except who we are - you know, those non-experts who go to Diwali (Hindu end of monsoon season celebration) festivals in Leicester

Steve

[Steed]

This is an interesting and important topic. I represent an interesting case study myself perhaps… my English paternal side traces itself back to at least the 1700s in Suffolk – giving me a strong link to the old Danelaw region. My mother, however, was born in the Netherlands but now and forever calls England home (even after having separated from my father). Because of this, for a long time I called myself ‘British’ – afraid of undermining English identity.

What I came to realize though, is that you know in your heart who and what you are despite certain technicalities. As far as I’ve been able to ascertain, I’m of Germanic stock (despite not looking like a posterboy for the so-called Aryan Übermenschen). My culture has always been English (with a sprinkling of Dutch influence) and all of my Grandparents were/are successful, honourable Europeans. So my heart tells me this: English first, Germanic second, European third. Of all the people I know, I’m one of the most passionate about England – even beyond those whose traceable ancestors were all born English.

So I proudly proclaim myself English.

I don’t believe there is a formula for Englishness. It’s largely an abstract, unquantifiable concept based on a spiritual belonging; but with the added factors of factual ancestry, culture and appearance. Many things must be taken into account, but for the most part people around you just ‘know’ where you belong – as has been the standard for recognizing identity worldwide since time began.

[Unbroken Shieldwall]

Never mind muslims pols africans and whoever what about celts! some have been here for generations but I don't consider them Englisc. Some have been here since before us but their still not Englisc.

Engliscness is an ethnic identity not a birthplace. Their are Englisc people born in the USA,OZ,NZ ,Canada and wherever.

[Andy]

Steed, on 13 December 2011 - 11:41 AM, said:

This is an interesting and important topic. I represent an interesting case study myself perhaps… my English paternal side traces itself back to at least the 1700s in Suffolk – giving me a strong link to the old Danelaw region. My mother, however, was born in the Netherlands but now and forever calls England home (even after having separated from my father). Because of this, for a long time I called myself ‘British’ – afraid of undermining English identity.

What I came to realize though, is that you know in your heart who and what you are despite certain technicalities. As far as I’ve been able to ascertain, I’m of Germanic stock (despite not looking like a posterboy for the so-called Aryan Übermenschen). My culture has always been English (with a sprinkling of Dutch influence) and all of my Grandparents were/are successful, honourable Europeans. So my heart tells me this: English first, Germanic second, European third. Of all the people I know, I’m one of the most passionate about England – even beyond those whose traceable ancestors were all born English.

So I proudly proclaim myself English.

I don’t believe there is a formula for Englishness. It’s largely an abstract, unquantifiable concept based on a spiritual belonging; but with the added factors of factual ancestry, culture and appearance. Many things must be taken into account, but for the most part people around you just ‘know’ where you belong – as has been the standard for recognizing identity worldwide since time began.

You have an English ancestral line through your father. you have English identity (by which the British Government considers you second class citizen) thus you are English.

[Mr West]

Andy, on 07 January 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

You have an English ancestral line through your father. you have English identity (by which the British Government considers you second class citizen) thus you are English.

My whole father side is English, it's unfortunate that my mother contains the 1 Jock, Welsh and Polish.
Although disheartened i'm not pure, I do not doubt my ethnicity. I am English.

I mean, I could go by many things, surname's West. I had very Blonde hair, bright blue eyes when young. Hair has darkened as i've gotten older, my eyes still blue, i'm white.

So on and on, I count those as pure very blessed people.

[Andy]

Mr West, on 27 February 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

My whole father side is English, it's unfortunate that my mother contains the 1 Jock, Welsh and Polish.
Although disheartened i'm not pure, I do not doubt my ethnicity. I am English.

I mean, I could go by many things, surname's West. I had very Blonde hair, bright blue eyes when young. Hair has darkened as i've gotten older, my eyes still blue, i'm white.

So on and on, I count those as pure very blessed people.

Again we dont care about purity mate.  We leave that to those who want to deny us our right to exist, let them talk about purity.
Your English mate.

[Mr West]

Andy, on 28 February 2012 - 07:06 PM, said:

Again we dont care about purity mate.  We leave that to those who want to deny us our right to exist, let them talk about purity.
Your English mate.

No No, Andy, I never wanted to make such an image of people doubting me. Only those in power and those foreign invaders doubt our identity.

No worries fella'