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[Steed]

Yngvi, on 29 June 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

But most of the conspiracies start in America, its a bit nerdish and does nothing for me. I'd rather see threads about forming security groups for the English instead of reading chinese whispers.

Then, with all due respect my brother, you can do that over most of the forum. And I will join you wherever possible. But let a few of us have a little corner to discuss the complicated subject that is our enemies. You can easily ignore it this way. I would add that security groups for the English can and will only work if we truly understand the methods by which our enemies attack us. It has been proven in other threads that not all of us understand these methods.

[Thjodolfr]

'English security groups' is an interesting topic.  Depending on the definition of the term, I think the subject best kept for face-to-face encounters rather than a public forum.  Of course, PMs and 'protected forums' are no less safe from certain interested parties - e.g. 'our friends by the River' - when discussing 'security' matters than if it was all slapped in the Mead Hall.

A separate forum isn't a bad idea at all, the only danger is that some will become less involved with other aspects of EG, but then those who enjoy a little 'enemy chat' seem to be among the most active members of EG anyway.  Those who have no interest in the subject should just not bother reading any of the posts and concentrate on those areas they find to be of more interest.

[Bane Of Dumnonia]

Yngvi, I had a pop at Oath Bearer after he made this post.

'you came here with your anti-zionist and holocaust revisionist theories with the fucking 'sword in the stone' as your profile picture! Why not just get combat18 tattoo'd on your forehead!? After your thread about Breivik, King Saeward disappeared and shortly after your ultra sexist thread about matriarchy, Aengifu disappeared aswell'

After that it's gloves off time i'm afraid.

In that thread it was forcefully asserted that the BBC is pro-Muslim anti-Israel. I used to work for the BBC and I know this is completely inaccurate. The BBC is riddled with Jews from top to bottom and follows a subtle, yet 100% pro-Israel agenda (same as our politics, education, general media and on and on - not conspiracy, provable fact).

So this is where the danger lies. The assertion that the BBC is pro-Muslim anti-Israel is completely wrong yet is still there on that thread for all comers to see, unchallenged. So in that one subject EG is passing off as fact something that is untrue.

It is clear that no amount of evidence can change ingrained opinions. In fact it seems people won't even look at anything presented that goes against their pre-conceived notions.

There are no factions as they are being described here. I am confident that those that know about organised Jewrys role in our plight are equally aware of all other groups and actors too and that has been repeatedly stated.

It would take book sized posts to accurately describe organised Jewrys influence on England including names, quotes - specific evidence etc. The folk here talking about Jewish culpability didn't just wake up one day and decide to pick on Jews. It springs from vast amounts of reading and research that cannot be replicated easily in quick, tiny posts mid debate.

Add to that, it seems most here are set in their views so immovably that it appears to be a waste of time putting any great effort in to persuasion that our enemies go beyond just Islam and home grown liberal race traitors.

Dismiss subjects you don't like or understand as conspiracy theories or bullshit if you must.

The question is can EG play any serious role in saving England from destruction. If we are scared or unwilling to tackle unpalatable or unpopular subjects open-mindedly, head on, we will achieve nothing.

[Yngvi]

Do you see BoD how this subject can turn nasty and people begin turning in on each other. Its like the school play ground jaunt of 'My dads bigger than your dad'. Its not getting anyone anywhere. Personally I'm 50/50 on the subject of the two and don't forget our Celtic enemies and French, African, American, Irish American, African American etc etc. The English have a lot of people who hate them thanks to the British government and the worse enemy of all are the liberal English who've turned their backs on their own, which includes the crowned soverign so many English nationilsts admire!!

I won't even know where to start with the Politicians since the Heath regime, they are a whole different kettle of fish and still rule over us English alongside their big brother the EUSSR.

[Teutoburg Weald]

We can't really talk security and defence in the open Forums, that would giving away secrets to the Boggy Man!

My view is with Yngvi...Its not about how many there are, they are all one, all pissing in the same pot...As for conspiricis or what ever, that is endemic with folk, and the number of enemies we have..But the fact is, to many arguments on here have conspiricis behind them........Yes i'm open minded about everything in life, but it can be over done....

I believe that is what Yngvi is trying to say??

TW

[Bane Of Dumnonia]

Seaxans not interested in censoring members.

If I waded into an Anglo Saxon history thread or whatever and started calling other members extremely insulting terms because they didn't agree with my utterly wrong and unknowledgable opinions I would expect heavy flak back.

If you don't like a thread just stay out of it.

The only grossly factually inaccurate information on the entire site comes from those denying or playing down the Jewish role in Englands downfall.

Those people can be expect to be challenged strongly.

Edited by Bane Of Dumnonia, 29 June 2012 - 03:29 PM.

[Staff of England]

The passion displayed here can and must be channelled to a greater good for England. Many tonal opposite voices can create a great choir.
All members forward together!

[Steed]

Teutoburg Weald, on 29 June 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

But the fact is, to many arguments on here have conspiricis behind them........Yes i'm open minded about everything in life, but it can be over done....

So, what you're really saying is that you don't think certain talk is good for the forum whether you participate in it or not? I get the feeling that's also what Youngy's trying to say, for everyone has the option of simply ignoring threads or forum sections that don't interest them. if that option isn't good enough, then the only conclusion can be that you don't like certain things being talked about anywhere on the forum. Am I right?

The thing I love about forums is that they're a virtual suvival-of-the-fittest. Threads sink or swim based on whether people choose to participate in them. If no-one here had any interest in conspiracies, Zionism or Islam then those threads would disappear within a day. Likewise, if no-one takes interest in this new "Battlefield" forum then it will fail and Seaxan will delete it.

So what do you have to worry about? Are you worried that there are people here who want to discuss things that you don't?

[Teutoburg Weald]

I know Zionism, Islam, Fabians, Liberal/Left Internationalism and Marxism which is all part of the same thing, one enemy, several faces and titles, that is my point, if you can't see that, then arguing over it ain't going to alter anything...

You are telling people about who the enemy is, when they know the enemy, so you are preaching to the converted, you are not preaching to the sheep, but to us, we know who and what we are up against, we can learn their weaknesses and strengths...

But the fact is, that perhaps you go on about it because it interests you, you have an interest in the Zionists, good for you, but its not the end of England, or the world..........

If that is your interest then all well and good, but you are not telling us how we are going to beat em, no answers, just continued questions, so what use is going on about the Enemy, if there is no answers on how we can beat em???

TW

[Yngvi]

Now your just getting petty Steed. Imagine how off putting it is to people who may potentially join us when they see a bunch of nerds arguing with each other about American fuelled conspiracies. There is in no doubt that we need to speak about our enemies but certainly not start fighting over who's enemy is bigger than who's. What I'm saying, which your finding hard to understand is both enemies are as bad as one another and both are non English and both seem to get a lot of free advertising here. I'm also pointing out how the subject has caused divides when in reality we should all stand together.

[Steed]

Thanks for the reply TW.

Teutoburg Weald, on 29 June 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

I know Zionism, Islam, Fabians, Liberal/Left Internationalism and Marxism which is all part of the same thing, one enemy, several faces and titles, that is my point, if you can't see that, then arguing over it ain't going to alter anything...

It’s not part of the same thing. You’re vastly oversimplifying world affairs if you believe that. So, seeing as I “can’t see that”, it’s clear that we have a big disagreement about the nature of the enemy. Hence why it deserves discussion.

Teutoburg Weald, on 29 June 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

But the fact is, that perhaps you go on about it because it interests you, you have an interest in the Zionists, good for you, but its not the end of England, or the world..........

Actually, my belief is that Zionism IS the end of England – or rather, it is the single biggest threat and is very close to wiping us out without us even realising it. Debt slavery and taxation that are bleeding us dry and will make slaves of our children; mass-immigration which is endangering our race and culture; the legal system which has stolen our liberty; Consumerism which has stolen our pride and our spirit; Christianity which has severed most of us from our Gods. These aren’t accidents. They are the methods of stealth used by Zionism/the Rothschilds to destroy us. It is NOT the same enemy as Islam. Islam is overt and crude, Zionism is covert and incredibly devious.

Teutoburg Weald, on 29 June 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

If that is your interest then all well and good, but you are not telling us how we are going to beat em, no answers, just continued questions, so what use is going on about the Enemy, if there is no answers on how we can beat em???

At this stage, my main purpose for going on about our enemy is to try and share my findings with others. At the moment, I see 90% of English Nationalists shooting in the wrong direction – all dedicated to curing the symptoms and in complete denial of the cause.

So tell me – would you personally like me to stop talking about these things? Speak freely Harold. I won’t take personal offence. I’m just trying to understand exactly what the problem is here.

[3 SONS OF OLD ENGLAND]

My opinion for bwhat its worth is this,I try and read all the threads and will add my twopenneth worth on topics that Im either interested in or that I have some knowledge in otherwise I will stay out of things that I dont know about.I think all topics should be debated freely by those who wish to participate,it only becomes a problem imo when people dont fully understand the topic and thats when the arguments start .I know coz I have been down that road.I know very little about the jews so will stay out Im also not up on other stuff so will do the same,but on some subjects I know a fair bit so will engage in debate with my fellow members.

[Valkyrie]

Steed, on 29 June 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

Thanks for the reply TW.



It’s not part of the same thing. You’re vastly oversimplifying world affairs if you believe that. So, seeing as I “can’t see that”, it’s clear that we have a big disagreement about the nature of the enemy. Hence why it deserves discussion.



Actually, my belief is that Zionism IS the end of England – or rather, it is the single biggest threat and is very close to wiping us out without us even realising it. Debt slavery and taxation that are bleeding us dry and will make slaves of our children; mass-immigration which is endangering our race and culture; the legal system which has stolen our liberty; Consumerism which has stolen our pride and our spirit; Christianity which has severed most of us from our Gods. These aren’t accidents. They are the methods of stealth used by Zionism/the Rothschilds to destroy us. It is NOT the same enemy as Islam. Islam is overt and crude, Zionism is covert and incredibly devious.



At this stage, my main purpose for going on about our enemy is to try and share my findings with others. At the moment, I see 90% of English Nationalists shooting in the wrong direction – all dedicated to curing the symptoms and in complete denial of the cause.

So tell me – would you personally like me to stop talking about these things? Speak freely Harold. I won’t take personal offence. I’m just trying to understand exactly what the problem is here.

One can regard the capitalist system and the people who run it as the ultimate cause of our troubles, for selling our country out and letting the Muslims in as cheap labour, without blaming it on a supposed ages old Jewish conspiracy. Most of the members of that class aren't even Jews, and conversely, the vast majority of Jews have nothing to do with it. The Rothschilds may be bad, but they are no worse than many other wealthy, non-Jewish families. If 90% of English Nationalists don't agree with you, then, to paraphrase Cromwell, Think it possible you may be mistaken?

[Seaxan]

Well I'll step in. I run this forum for the English. The English are white, and the English are Germanic, so I'm pro all three. I will not change my views for anybody, and if people don't agree with my views then they are always welcome to set up their own forum or website.

I try to satisfy everybody, although that's clearly not something that's possible. I don't care if people dislike me, as I'm not here for popularity. The new forum is there for people to use if they wish. If it's not used, I'll delete it.

The only thing that gets on my nerves with running this forum, is the constant arguments. Can't people swallow their pride and move on? I know I'm not perfect, and I've had to step in a few times, but I won't censor and I won't change the overall views of the forum.

This forum is for us all to gather together for the future of our people. Those with kids should embrace it and concentrate on their families and the fact that we can meet and be around our own. If I disagree with someone on here, I'm not going to threaten to rip their head off, I'll accept it on the knowledge that we're still all fighting for England and the English. We're a big family, and like all families, you like some family members and you hate others.

[Yngvi]

If we really are a family - then we better start standing as one, because there are bigger and much stronger tied families moving in to our neighbourhood. Much stronger than what we are at present. You want to stop all this? Then start looking after your own kin and stand together not just here but outside of this forum!

[Seaxan]

This is the problem, immigrants stick together when they want to make changes, we don't. They stick together when they want to rape our children. They stick together when they want to blow up our people. I've had offers from some people on here to help me out when it's been needed and I'll not forget those offers. I've always said that I will back my brothers and sisters up when it's needed and I'll stand by that statement. I even tried to set up a defence force but there was a lack of interest. We need to commit to looking after our own when it's needed.

[Valkyrie]

Seaxan, on 29 June 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

This is the problem, immigrants stick together when they want to make changes, we don't. They stick together when they want to rape our children. They stick together when they want to blow up our people. I've had offers from some people on here to help me out when it's been needed and I'll not forget those offers. I've always said that I will back my brothers and sisters up when it's needed and I'll stand by that statement. I even tried to set up a defence force but there was a lack of interest. We need to commit to looking after our own when the time comes.

Maybe the English people as a whole won't feel like that till every single one of them has been personally affected. Let's hope it's not too late by then.

[Steed]

Valkyrie, on 29 June 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

to paraphrase Cromwell, Think it possible you may be mistaken?

Ironic that you'd paraphrase Cromwell.

What I think is that I've probably done far more reading on the root causes of our present situation than you. That's not to be condescending. The reason I say it is that I could give you 100 links to well-researched articles and essays explaining the how, why and when of Zionist Western control. And I suspect you'd struggle to offer me even one about Muslims having that level of global control. So no, I'm not mistaken. And if I am, so are some of the greatest minds in Nationalism.

[Seaxan]

Valkyrie, on 29 June 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

Maybe the English people as a whole won't feel like that till every single one of them has been personally affected. Let's hope it's not too late by then.

That's the attitude of the sheeple, and then it will be up to the ones they call racist, i.e us, to aid them.

[Steed]

Yngvi, on 29 June 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

If we really are a family - then we better start standing as one, because there are bigger and much stronger tied families moving in to our neighbourhood. Much stronger than what we are at present. You want to stop all this? Then start looking after your own kin and stand together not just here but outside of this forum!

I agree. The problem is, you think my insistence on discussing the little-known truth about our enemies is what's causing this divide. I say (and this is ALL I'm asking for): Let's unite across the forum and discuss how great England is, but let's have a small corner for some of us to share what we've discovered about our enemies. Seaxan has kindly obliged, yet some are still opposed to it.