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[Seaxan]

Go back to Jamaica Barnes you pencil. Not much more for you here now that you've made your money out of our racist country. All our fault by the look of things eh Barnes?

Former international footballer blames some of country's favourite writers for perpetuating 'negative images of black people'
Jamaican-born Barnes said racism exists because of ‘preconceived ideas’ that are planted through books and films that validate colonial prejudices
The 48-year-old called for children to be taught the non-existence of race as a concept on the National Curriculum

They have penned some of the nation’s best-loved books and are revered as greats of the literature world.

But authors such as Nobel Laureate Rudyard Kipling and Agatha Christie have been blamed for making Britain a country of ‘passive racists’ by portraying the white British imperialists as superior and native people as savages.

Former England star John Barnes said favourite tales, including Edgar Rice Burroughs's Tarzan of the Apes and Kipling's The Jungle Book, have instilled bigotry into the minds of generations.

His Christie comment was no doubt a reference to the title of her 1939 best-selling novel Ten Little Niggers - which caused such a furore that it was renamed a year later in the US as Ten Little Indians.

Modern versions of the book have been re-marketed as And Then There Were None.

And In Death On The Nile, her characters express a casual contempt  for 'the natives' from their boat.

The ex-Liverpool winger launched a fierce attack on classic literature in a lecture to students at Liverpool University entitled ‘What is the cause of racism in football?’

Jamaican-born Barnes - who during the 1980s suffered serious racial abuse from the stands - said he wants to eradicate the latent prejudice that he sees makes white people tend to resist having black neighbours.

And he has called for a plan that would make teaching about the non-existence of race as a concept to be made central to the national curriculum.

The 48-year-old told the audience that racism exists because of ‘preconceived ideas’ that are planted through books like The Jungle Book and films that validate colonial prejudices.

He said: ‘Passive racism is inherent in all of us and the way we feel about a group of people is based on what we have been told for 200 years.

‘As a product of that, over the last 200 years we have had negative images of black people, which featured in literature by Rudyard Kipling to Agatha Christie.

‘Tarzan showed that.

‘Racism came from the idea of race, which is a man-made construct. Race is not scientific or genetic. It does not actually exist.

‘Race came about to validate and justify colonialism and slavery.’

Barnes moved to live in England at the age of 13 when his father was Jamaica’s military attaché to London in the late 1970s.

He is England’s most-capped black player but during his career at Liverpool FC Barnes regularly came under a torrent of racist abuse from the fans.

‘Passive racism might be seen in someone choosing to live next to a white person and that’s the racism we have to get rid of, added Mr Barnes.

‘If we get rid of passive racism then overcoming overt racism will take care of itself.

‘The majority of racism which goes on is unconscious - people do not even think about it. By letting people understand they are passive racists will help tackle it.’

Works by Kipling and Christie are not the only stories to cause a racism storm

One of Tintin’s classic adventures was banished to the adult shelves of bookshops because it was deemed overtly racist.

Fears that Tintin In The Congo, right, could have a negative effect on children led publishers to market it in protective packaging with warning labels similar to those on explicit magazines.

The Adventures Of Tintin was a series of comic books created by Belgian artist Georges Remi, who wrote under the pen name Herge.

Tintin In The Congo was written in 1930 and depicts African natives as ignorant, simple and backward people, who are far less intelligent than their white visitors.

Leading booksellers such as Waterstones have taken the book out of the children’s section, fearing it ‘could get into the wrong hands’.

But critics claim that selling the book like a soft porn magazine is politically correct censorship, especially when children are regularly allowed to see graphic violence and sexually explicit material in the media.

The book, which was not published in English until 2005, shows the black population bowing down to the boy reporter after he smashes a diamond smuggling racket involving Al Capone.

The black people are depicted as stupid with thick lips. They end up worshipping Tintin and his faithful dog Snowy like gods.

http://www.dailymail...rs-bigotry.html

Oh well, I think I'll go and read some Kipling to my kids.

[scouserbob]

For John Barnes to say "race is a man-made concept" is ludicrous, just like the feminists who say the same about gender. I used to think John Barnes was a bright enough bloke, but having read this I'm not so sure.

As far as books colouring (no pun intended) people's perceptions is concerned well let's follow that to its logical conclusion - ban the Koran, a religious text that advocates peadophillic practices which are illegal in this country. No? Then I'd advise Barnes to keep quiet and stick to talking about football.

[Andy]

The man is an idiot.

The majority of people of all races prefer to live amongst people with a similer identity and culture.  When a foriegn people and alien culture are forceably  imposed upon a communitty without being asked or regarded then animosity and hatred grows.
This is what racism is all about.

Most English couldnt give a damn about Africa and Africans or the Carabean and Carabeans until they have a non white community growing in their community.  This is why we get whtite flight.  This is why the majority of non whites live in their own rapidly expanding communities.

Britain is now a divided (diversity) country along lines of race and culture.  One day there will be conflict and deaths on a massive scale.  Well done Westminster, all you need now is a spark.

[Andy]

Also what has ten little indians got to do with race?

Isnt it about the killing off of a group of people one by one?  I have not read it but it appears the idiot is making a comment on a book based purely on his perception....idiot.  But I suppose facts dont figure in the anti white agenda of idiots like John Barnes.

[Thjodolfr]

Hmmm, so we may as well flush all great works of literature that contain anything remotely 'controversial' down the 'Memory Hole', or perhaps we can just change everything so it makes our culture 'diverse'!

[Woden's Child]

Would that be the nation of passive racists who paid his wages?  He got called a few names on the football field and now he's bleating out this rubbish in revenge. He says that passive racism is present within all of us, yet I don't see him citing examples of non white racism, passive or otherwise. Don't these numpties ever get tired of repeating the same old rhetoric about colonialism (the reason Barnes isn't living a piss-poor existence in Jamaica), Empire, slavery, etc??  He has a lifestyle that only his Jamaican counterparts can dream of - all courtesy of this nation of 'passive racists'.

[Sceadugenden]

Tosser

[Witnere]

Well it's just as well that nobody really pays John Barnes any attention then, isn't it? A man still living off one goal whilst playing for a country he should never have represented. It's all mean old whitey's fault ain't it John? Prat!

[wesle]

so our "preconcieved" notions regarding race is soley down to writers such as rudyard kipling?  who if these liberals ever actually bothered to read was actually very respectfull of the various races with in there limets (gunga din,fuzzy wuzzy,an the ballad of east and west spring to mind)orrrrrrrr could it possibly be that this racist black man is projecting his prejudices and inherant racism onto those whose country he and his ancestors have been mooching off for the last however many  decades?simply because 1 we dont all bow down weeping and wailing and rending our shirts because of slavery(yawn)and 2 we demand the right to our own homeland as laid down in international law free from unwanted outside interferance and influence.

[Witnere]

The thing is though, when I work with black people they wait for the only white man in the room to say what is going to happen then go with that. Not always, but it's a general rule of thumb I've seen and expirienced for myself. They defer to us themselves, what are we to make of that?

[Thjodolfr]

Witnere, on 19 May 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

The thing is though, when I work with black people they wait for the only white man in the room to say what is going to happen then go with that. Not always, but it's a general rule of thumb I've seen and expirienced for myself. They defer to us themselves, what are we to make of that?

Slavery?

[Aelfcynn]

Hahaha yes but wasn't it their own people who sold them out to us anyway? I'm guessing he'll be going nowhere near a Black 'pride' event then!

As for race, yes it does exist, read somewhere that whites have 4% Neanderthal and blacks have none.....meaning we are different. Also we can start bringing up the old 'well what have blacks ever invented' argument, which brings up a big list of 0, right?

And if the stupid bastard doesn't want people thinking about race then maybe he should shut his fucking mouth?

[South Saxon]

What a load of bollocks.

Woden, on 18 May 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

Would that be the nation of passive racists who paid his wages? He got called a few names on the football field and now he's bleating out this rubbish in revenge. He says that passive racism is present within all of us, yet I don't see him citing examples of non white racism, passive or otherwise. Don't these numpties ever get tired of repeating the same old rhetoric about colonialism (the reason Barnes isn't living a piss-poor existence in Jamaica), Empire, slavery, etc?? He has a lifestyle that only his Jamaican counterparts can dream of - all courtesy of this nation of 'passive racists'.

Agree 110%.

Edited by South Saxon, Yesterday, 07:17 PM.

[Eassex cempa]

yesterday my wife and I visited Maldon. Whilst there we visited the statue of an ENGLISH man who gave his ALL, much more ALL than any footballer will ever understand.
1021 years have past and that man is still an inspiration to the heart and soul of the ENGLISH that know what it is to love and swear the oath to our birthright land, it's history, people and original culture.
It is said that it was a negative stigma for the families who's men survived the Battle of Maldon, Barnes your ethos marks you with that same stigma

As a side, while there today I heard a young boy tell his father, after reading the plaque, "we are not taught anything about this in school". How very sad !!

In another 100 years Barnsey will be forgotten.

E C

[Thjodolfr]

Not quite sure why John Barnes felt the need to give us the benefit of his 'wisdom'.  Odd that he should say that rascism is 'inherent' in all of us and it is "based on what we have been told for 200 years".  Wasn't there a study recently that showed white babies prefer other white babies compared to black babies which might suggest 'rascism' goes back a little further and deeper than that.     I seriously doubt that John Barnes has actually read any of those books, and to be frank, if you haven't read something you opinion of it is meaningless, at best it is based on somebody else's opinion.  John Barnes may have experienced rascism, but unless he has read these books and studied the period extensively he really should just shut up.  Because he is black and is talking about 'racism' he is allowed to spout his guff unchallenged.  I look forward to John Barnes' repatriation to his Third World homeland.

[Aldwulf of Wessex]

I may have posted this before, when visiting one of my sons who was a  student living in digs in Plumstead his landlord who was of Indian persuasion quite openly called the local black community ,his words not mine,niggers so John Barnes are Asians passively racist .On the tube a group of Japanese youths used the "n" word and made grunting noises towards a couple of black guys sitting opposite, so John Barnes are the Japanese racist.Why doesn't he go the whole hog and demand a book burning ,oops no someone else beat him to it in the 1930's.

[Thjodolfr]

It is pretty much the case that no other race like Africans...

[Steven]

Thjodolfr, on 20 May 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

Not quite sure why John Barnes felt the need to give us the benefit of his 'wisdom'

His 'wisdom' is simply grievance-mongering, dressed up to look like something else. No doubt Barnes has been doing some reading since he retired from football and what better way to push the narrative, as a negro, than by saying 'race is a social construct'. Biology describes race as 'a distinct population within a species', and whether he likes it or not Barnes is from a subspecies and we another. Sociology is psuedo-science, it's half fact half fiction. The fiction half is a continually changing set of theories on the function of human society. Barnes is firmly on the fiction side which says fuck nature, man is a political animal so we can change him by altering the conditions of his existence. And they do.

Steve

[Searu man]

JUNGLE BOOK ?    .....   What race was Mowgli? I'm pretty sure he wasn't English!  

"You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!"... - yep, the man was an out and out Nazi

[Thjodolfr]

Searu man, on 20 May 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

JUNGLE BOOK ? .....   What race was Mowgli? I'm pretty sure he wasn't English!  

"You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!"... - yep, the man was an out and out Nazi

And I seem to remember Mowgli was very much a hero!  It seems that Barnes need to read these works, and remember that in the nineteenth century natives were portrayed as they were then not as 'they' are now.  If Barnes has read these books, he clearly lacks sufficient intellect to understand.  John Barnes is a roly-poly retired football player who is remembered for one goal scored against the Brazilian 'reserves' largely because none of them could be bothered to tackle him.  Watch, is it really a great goal or piss poor defending?  Not sure Garrincha, Pele, Rivelino and Zico really drooled "with envy"...