could someone please tell me if the werian in this phrase should be-be-werian,as i was looking at bosworth and toller,and this is what it said defend means.thanks.
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Werian se Angelcynn
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, Feb 06 2012 10:51 PM
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 10:51 PM
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 04:13 AM
What no takers? Sigh.
You definitely have a transitive use of the verb there so the be- prefix is applicable. Bewerian is safe ground.
You definitely have a transitive use of the verb there so the be- prefix is applicable. Bewerian is safe ground.
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Ðé gúþgewinn þurh hǽðenra hilde wóman, beorna beaducræft, geboden wyrþeþ...
Ðé gúþgewinn þurh hǽðenra hilde wóman, beorna beaducræft, geboden wyrþeþ...
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 06:17 PM
thanks Ridend,knew i could rely on you,much appreciated,cheers.
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 06:47 PM
This is why you have to learn the parts of speech of Modern English if one is ever to grasp Old English. As for the whole be- and ge- prefix thing in O.E., I have learnt that the use of these is rather erratic which hints that something else is going on here and it likely has to do scansion, meaning scribes of the time used or chose not to use these prefixes to compose rhythmic prose. Just as we do not use flowery speech in our daily discourse, we can conclude that the average Engliscmann spoke rather plainly as well.
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Ðé gúþgewinn þurh hǽðenra hilde wóman, beorna beaducræft, geboden wyrþeþ...
Ðé gúþgewinn þurh hǽðenra hilde wóman, beorna beaducræft, geboden wyrþeþ...
"Good ale, the true and proper drink of Englishmen. He is not deserving of the name of Englishman who speaketh against ale, that is good ale."
~George Borrow
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 10:27 PM
thanks again.
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 09:44 PM
Ridend! Sorry another question 
Why is it "se Angelcynn" and not "þý Angelcynn"? Just asking because Se is masculine whereas not all Angelcynn are male.
Why is it "se Angelcynn" and not "þý Angelcynn"? Just asking because Se is masculine whereas not all Angelcynn are male.
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Posted 12 February 2012 - 05:27 AM
Unbroken Shieldwall, on 11 February 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:
Ridend! Sorry another question
Why is it "se Angelcynn" and not "þý Angelcynn"? Just asking because Se is masculine whereas not all Angelcynn are male.
Why is it "se Angelcynn" and not "þý Angelcynn"? Just asking because Se is masculine whereas not all Angelcynn are male.
Grumble grumble grumble....
Why? Because masculine, feminine and neutral is grammatical gender and not natural gender as a biological differentiation. Grammatical gender just means 'kind' of word. Many confuse this issue. The two interact on some levels but it is not the rule.
As for Angelcynn....it is neutral which points to a balls up on my behalf since I assumed it was masculine. That makes it "þæt Angelcynn" which of course brings into question the need of this article which as you may know is not as prolific in O.E. as in Mod.E. Bewerian Angelcynn could be considered proper O.E.
Wénan féolaga leornereas?
Beallucas!
Ðé gúþgewinn þurh hǽðenra hilde wóman, beorna beaducræft, geboden wyrþeþ...
Ðé gúþgewinn þurh hǽðenra hilde wóman, beorna beaducræft, geboden wyrþeþ...
"Good ale, the true and proper drink of Englishmen. He is not deserving of the name of Englishman who speaketh against ale, that is good ale."
~George Borrow
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Posted 12 February 2012 - 09:01 AM
Rídend, on 12 February 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:
Grumble grumble grumble....
Why? Because masculine, feminine and neutral is grammatical gender and not natural gender as a biological differentiation. Grammatical gender just means 'kind' of word. Many confuse this issue. The two interact on some levels but it is not the rule.
As for Angelcynn....it is neutral which points to a balls up on my behalf since I assumed it was masculine. That makes it "þæt Angelcynn" which of course brings into question the need of this article which as you may know is not as prolific in O.E. as in Mod.E. Bewerian Angelcynn could be considered proper O.E.
Wénan féolaga leornereas?
Why? Because masculine, feminine and neutral is grammatical gender and not natural gender as a biological differentiation. Grammatical gender just means 'kind' of word. Many confuse this issue. The two interact on some levels but it is not the rule.
As for Angelcynn....it is neutral which points to a balls up on my behalf since I assumed it was masculine. That makes it "þæt Angelcynn" which of course brings into question the need of this article which as you may know is not as prolific in O.E. as in Mod.E. Bewerian Angelcynn could be considered proper O.E.
Wénan féolaga leornereas?
Cheers Riddy, When you say Wénan do you mean you despair of fellow learners or are you telling us to have more imagination?
The translator just confused me.
ic þance þé!
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Posted 12 February 2012 - 03:53 PM
Unbroken Shieldwall, on 12 February 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:
Cheers Riddy, When you say Wénan do you mean you despair of fellow learners or are you telling us to have more imagination?
The translator just confused me.
The translator just confused me.
ic þance þé!
Wénan=opinions. I was asking a question. If the translator confuses you one more time....cut his tongue out and find a new one. 
Beallucas!
Ðé gúþgewinn þurh hǽðenra hilde wóman, beorna beaducræft, geboden wyrþeþ...
Ðé gúþgewinn þurh hǽðenra hilde wóman, beorna beaducræft, geboden wyrþeþ...
"Good ale, the true and proper drink of Englishmen. He is not deserving of the name of Englishman who speaketh against ale, that is good ale."
~George Borrow
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Posted 13 February 2012 - 07:03 PM
Rídend, on 12 February 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:
Wénan=opinions. I was asking a question. If the translator confuses you one more time....cut his tongue out and find a new one. Too late, the little bastard scarpered . Oh well I'll just keep PMing you whenever I'm in need!
