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#1 Woodsman

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 10:21 PM

http://www.telegraph...t-your-aid.html




India’s Finance Minister has said that his country “does not require” British aid, describing it as “peanuts”.





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Mr Mukherjee’s remarks, previously unreported outside India, were made during question time in the Rajya Sabha, the upper house of parliament Photo: REUTERS





Pranab Mukherjee and other Indian ministers tried to terminate Britain’s aid to their booming country last year - but relented after the British begged them to keep taking the money, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.


The disclosure will fuel the rising controversy over Britain’s aid to India.


The country is the world’s top recipient of British bilateral aid, even though its economy has been growing at up to 10 per cent a year and is projected to become bigger than Britain’s within a decade.

Last week India rejected the British-built Typhoon jet as preferred candidate for a £6.3 billion warplane deal, despite the Development Secretary, Andrew Mitchell, saying that Britain’s aid to Delhi was partly “about seeking to sell Typhoon.”

Mr Mukherjee’s remarks, previously unreported outside India, were made during question time in the Rajya Sabha, the upper house of parliament.


“We do not require the aid,” he said, according to the official transcript of the session.


“It is a peanut in our total development exercises [expenditure].” He said the Indian government wanted to “voluntarily” give it up.
According to a leaked memo, the foreign minister, Nirumpama Rao, proposed “not to avail [of] any further DFID [British] assistance with effect from 1st April 2011,” because of the “negative publicity of Indian poverty promoted by DFID”.

But officials at DFID, Britain’s Department for International Development, told the Indians that cancelling the programme would cause “grave political embarrassment” to Britain, according to sources in Delhi.

DFID has sent more than £1 billion of UK taxpayers’ money to India in the last five years and is planning to spend a further £600 million on Indian aid by 2015.
“They said that British ministers had spent political capital justifying the aid to their electorate,” one source told The Sunday Telegraph.
“They said it would be highly embarrassing if the Centre [the government of India] then pulled the plug.”

Amid steep reductions in most British government spending, the NHS and aid have been the only two budgets protected from cuts.
Britain currently pays India around £280 million a year, six times the amount given by the second-largest bilateral donor, the United States. Almost three-quarters of all foreign bilateral aid going to India comes from Britain. France, chosen as favourite to land the warplane deal, gives around £19 million a year.
Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal £118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain’s did.

In India, meanwhile, government audit reports found £70 million had disappeared from one DFID-funded project alone.
Hundreds of thousands of pounds was spent on delivering more than 7,000 televisions to schools — most of which did not have electricity. Few of the televisions ever arrived. A further £44,000 of British aid was allegedly siphoned off by one project official to finance a movie directed by her son.

Most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank.
However, Britain has reallocated its aid spending to focus on India at the expense of some far poorer countries, including the African state of Burundi, which is having its British bilateral aid stopped altogether from next year.

The decision comes even though India has a £6 billion space programme, nuclear weapons and has started a substantial foreign aid programme of its own. It now gives out only slightly less in bilateral aid to other countries than it receives from Western donors.
Supporters of British aid say that India still contains about a third of the world’s poor, with 450 million people living on less than 80p a day. DFID says its programmes — which are now focused on the country’s three poorest states - save at least 17,000 lives a year and have lifted 2.3 million people out of poverty since 2005.
The junior development minister, Alan Duncan, said last week that cutting off British aid to India “would mean that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people, will die who otherwise could live.”
However, Mr Mukherjee told the parliament last August that foreign aid from all sources amounted to only 0.4 per cent of India’s gross domestic product. From its own resources, the Indian government has more than doubled spending on health and education since 2003.
Last year, it announced a 17 per cent rise in spending on anti-poverty programmes. Though massive inequalities remain, India has achieved substantial reductions in poverty, from 60 per cent to 42 per cent of the population in the last thirty years.

Emma Boon, campaign director of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: “It is incredible that ministers have defended the aid we send to India, insisting it is vital, when now we learn that even the Indian government doesn’t want it.”

As long ago as 2005, MPs on the international development select committee found that India “seems to have become increasingly tired of being cast in the role of aid recipient.” In their most recent report on the programme, last year, they said that British aid to the country should “change fundamentally,” with different sources of funding. The report praised a number of DFID projects, but questioned others.

As well as the Indian government, many other Indians are sceptical about British aid. Malini Mehra, director of an Indian anti-poverty pressure group, the Centre for Social Markets, said aid was “entirely irrelevant” to the country’s real problems, which she said were the selfishness of India’s rich and the unresponsiveness of its institutions.
“DFID are not able to translate the investments they make on the ground into actual changes in the kind of structures that hold back progress,” Ms Mehra said.
“Unless we arouse that level of indignation and intolerance of the situation, aid will make no difference whatsoever.”
Mr Mitchell last night defended British aid, saying: “Our completely revamped programme is in India’s and Britain’s national interest and is a small part of a much wider relationship between our two countries.

“We are changing our approach in India. We will target aid at three of India’s poorest states, rather than central Government.
“We will invest more in the private sector, with our programme having some of the characteristics of a sovereign wealth fund. We will not be in India forever, but now is not the time to quit.”
DFID declined to comment on why it had asked the Indian government to continue with a programme it wanted to end.



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Posted 05 February 2012 - 12:01 AM

A message to Cameron and your dickhead mates,  listen to Mr Mukerjee,  you morons
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 12:05 AM

Begged them to take our money ???.
Who are these idiots ????
Dont want our dosh, we dont want your Indians lol

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:41 AM

The thick pathetic British politicians thought that by throwing money at these countries (India/China/Brazil etc) that they would then return the favour when Britain needed them.

Those people dont care about their own citizens why on earth should they care about principles of honour and repaying debt.

They are laughing at the idiots in Westminster now they dont need British money, and of course if in the future they again need our money, you can bet that the muppets in Westminster will start the flow of aide to India again.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 01:16 PM

India to Britain: We don't need the 'peanuts' you offer us in aid
  • UK hands £280m to India in aid each year
  • India rejected the cash last year, but Britain begged them to take it
  • India's economy set to overtake the UK's


By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 12:23 PM on 5th February 2012
India's Finance Minister referred to the financial aid given by Britain to his country as nothing more than 'peanuts', it is claimed.
It is also claimed that Pranab Mukherjee and other Indian ministers tried to reject the money - around £280million a year - from the UK in 2011, but the British Government 'begged' them to take the money.
The Sunday Telegraph claims that the Indian government were disposed to reject the money in April last year, because of the 'negative publicity of Indian poverty' highlighted by the aid.


According to official transcripts, Mr Mukherjee said: 'We do not require the aid. It is a peanut in our total development exercises.'
Figures show India's economy is booming - and may eclipse Britain's economy within the next decade.


The row over aid to a booming country was exacerbated by the news last week that French firm Dassault Rafale was selected as the preferred bidder to supply 126 military jets to the Indian air force.
It was hoped the £13billion deal would be given to the UK - with Government officials claiming the £1billion of aid paid out to India over the last five years would help win the investment.

The British bid, by BAE Systems, which builds the Eurofighter Typhoon jet, was consigned to second place.



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Two tossers wasting £280 million pounds a year in aide to India who are now pretending they didnt want our money!
The British Government, headed by Prime Minister David Cameron (right) and Deputy PM Nick Clegg (left), apparently begged India to accept its aid


International Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell said in December that Britain’s controversial foreign aid programme was partly designed to win the bid.
The aid package is 15 times larger than the £18million France sent to India in 2009.
Asked to justify Indian aid last year, Mr Mitchell said: 'It's a very important relationship. The focus is also about seeking to sell Typhoon.'
This muppet should be sacked!


The decision was also a setback for David Cameron, who visited India in 2010 with six Cabinet ministers and around 60 businessmen to try to establish Britain as the ‘partner of choice’ for India.

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Rejected: RAF Typhoons fell to second place, despite the belief that controversial aid packages would secure the India contract for Britain


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Poor: India is a rich nation and receives billions in aid, yet millions still live in extreme poverty


During Prime Minister's Questions in the House of Commons, Mr Cameron said he was 'disappointed' by the decision.
He said: 'We don't expect any job losses stemming from this decision and it does not rule out the Typhoon for India.'
He insisted BAE Systems was still in the hunt for the contract, despite losing the first round of bidding.
Indian officials said Dassault emerged in front because the Rafale jet was ‘much cheaper unit-wise’ than the Eurofighter.


It was reported that Dassault slashed its price demands to ensure the deal was done.
One Indian defence ministry source said: ‘The Indian air force, which is well-equipped with French fighters, is favouring the French.’ The Rafale jets will replace India’s ageing fleet of Russian MiGs.
According to financial advisers Merrill Lynch, India has 153,000 dollar-millionaires — a 20 per cent rise in a year, compared with Britain’s own paltry increase of less than 1 per cent.


Such is the economic power of India that it now gives out more foreign aid than it receives, and has handed over £3.5billion to cement relations with impoverished Africa.
Meanwhile, it invests huge sums in ambitious projects: £2billion will put the first Indian astronauts into space by 2016, and the annual defence budget tops £22billion, with a third aircraft carrier now under construction in an Indian shipyard.






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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:50 PM

We keep our money, they can keep their people. It's a win-win for us. And when Pakistani F-16s and JF-17s  knock their cheaper Rafales out of the sky we'll refuse them Typhoons.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:55 PM

They could spend that money on strengthening our own Armed Forces, a larger Navy.... But of course, that wouldn't do would it, after all, our Allies will look after us Won't they??????????????????????????????????????Posted Image

Aid to the Turd World is not about feeding the poor, but buying buddies and keeping big Business going, its about Rich Elites keeping each other happy, buying influence, back scratching, and secret hand shakes, but fuck all to do with the so-called Poor, and it never was...................

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Lo þær drohtoþ ic lóc min fæder, Lo þær dorhtoþ ic lóc min módor ond min gesweostor, ond min gebródor. Lo þær drohtoþ ic lóc séo lang of min Angelfolc. Lo hig drohtoþ gecégan æt mé ond bid mé bryidan min bæcern ámang þæge rice þæt wiusæl of valhalla bæcern þæt mðdhwæt magan búan widan.

"Lo There do i see my Father. Lo There do i see my Mother. My Sisters and my Brothers. Lo There do i see the line of my People going back to the Beginning. Lo They do call to me. They bid me take my place among them. In the Halls of VALHALLA. Where the BRAVE MAY LIVE FOR EVER."

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 05:02 PM

View PostHarold Godwinsson, on 05 February 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

They could spend that money on strengthening our own Armed Forces, a larger Navy.... But of course, that wouldn't do would it, after all, our Allies will look after us Won't they??????????????????????????????????????Posted Image

Aid to the Turd World is not about feeding the poor, but buying buddies and keeping big Business going, its about Rich Elites keeping each other happy, buying influence, back scratching, and secret hand shakes, but fuck all to do with the so-called Poor, and it never was...................

HG

That would be true if that happened but as we can see.  We have paid billions to India and they are now turning around and saying 'we are all right Jack, so sod you'.
These turd world peoples have only one priority....themselves.

They dont care about their own people so why should they care about us!
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 06:33 PM

If which bit was true mate? Spending the money on the our armed forces and a larger Navy? Well yes i agree, in a perfect world that would be happening..

As for the second part of my post, what all this Turd World Aid is all about, then that is fact, and always has been, its never been about feeding the poor of these shit holes, its about buying influence, Buddies, Big Business, the Elite Club, that is the Crux of all this, the Elite Club...

And yes i agree, they don't give a flying fuck about us, but then, the likes of us, don't give a flying fuck about them, but as i say its not about us, its about the 'Elite Club' and that's all its ever been about....

Its why every other advert on the Goggle box is a begging advert for money from us for the Turd World, that also is a big business, and part of buying influence, and being in the 'Elite Club'!!

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Lo þær drohtoþ ic lóc min fæder, Lo þær dorhtoþ ic lóc min módor ond min gesweostor, ond min gebródor. Lo þær drohtoþ ic lóc séo lang of min Angelfolc. Lo hig drohtoþ gecégan æt mé ond bid mé bryidan min bæcern ámang þæge rice þæt wiusæl of valhalla bæcern þæt mðdhwæt magan búan widan.

"Lo There do i see my Father. Lo There do i see my Mother. My Sisters and my Brothers. Lo There do i see the line of my People going back to the Beginning. Lo They do call to me. They bid me take my place among them. In the Halls of VALHALLA. Where the BRAVE MAY LIVE FOR EVER."

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 01:32 AM

If this bit was true.........Aid to the Turd World is not about feeding the poor, but buying buddies and keeping big Business going, its about Rich Elites keeping each other happy,

buying buddies.  Westminster thought they were buying buddies but the foreigners have shown they have no principles of loyalty to those who helped them attain their riches.
Our minister said our aide would help us attain this fighter jet sale.....WRONG!
The Indians took the money put it into their bank accounts and went to the cheapest country, in this case France.

Our ministers have used these buying buddies lies in circulation to make their giving away our money more acceptable.
We keep seeing pictures of starving black kids to keep us sweet on aide to Africa but we know it ends up in rich Africans bank accounts.
What does our Government do....BUGGER ALL!
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