Looks like we have our own thought police in here to worry about lol. It's not that important. Mind you a reason for minus points would be good as we are all grown up.
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State Recognition of Heathenism?
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 01:04 AM
Eassex cempa, on 12 January 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:
OK then,
If honesty is a virtue I shall be honest with you and give my thoughts, for what they are worth .
I am a well known contributor on many non-wiccan esoteric forums. I have been fortunate to have been given instruction by a few very worthy people within the coven, cuveen and covine structures of Albion.
I also teach the same to a few people via the www as the USA is a bit far for me to travel for my Magisterial duties.
I have a fair idea I know what I am talking about and that is why I believe in and venerate my gods.
The most famous coven in the world today is the Cultus Sabbati ( they call a coven a covine) and I was known to their founding Magister Andrew Chumbley (give him a google)
Many years ago I had many an argument with him but I must say he was right, in my opinion, about our Heathen gods and how we find them.
Andrew called that state of mind where we are between the worlds (that sense of inbetween-ness) as 'The one true circle of Arte'. He also then said that 'Nothing can ever be trully forgotten within 'the one true circle of Arte'
Here he makes a point of saying, albeit in that anoying way of allegory, that what was there and known by our ancestors is sill there and ingrained within our pesonal and cultural psyche.
Magisters from the Traditional currents like Chumbley and Cochrane made great mention of the importence of connecting with our gods. They would also make known that to do so one must first find them 'within and without'
Both Chumbley and Cochrane found the gods of the forrest and the heath were best found in them places, as I myself have found their essence.
By connecting to them in that liminal state we begin to see them with greater clarity.
There needs be little read about our gods as they WILL speak to the deeper part of the human mind. They will never leave us as they are part of us. Their ways will be revealed to us because we have never really forgoten them.
No man will ever need tell you of our gods as they will speak to them that seek them out in their places.
When called upon they will come.
Remember, our gods are personal and the true purpose of a coven is to teach the acolyte how to see but not what to see. Such revelations become also personal to the acolyte.
To them that would seek our Heathen Gods I say ' seek them in the solitude of mind and seek them in the field, forrest and upon the heath'
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If honesty is a virtue I shall be honest with you and give my thoughts, for what they are worth .
I am a well known contributor on many non-wiccan esoteric forums. I have been fortunate to have been given instruction by a few very worthy people within the coven, cuveen and covine structures of Albion.
I also teach the same to a few people via the www as the USA is a bit far for me to travel for my Magisterial duties.
I have a fair idea I know what I am talking about and that is why I believe in and venerate my gods.
The most famous coven in the world today is the Cultus Sabbati ( they call a coven a covine) and I was known to their founding Magister Andrew Chumbley (give him a google)
Many years ago I had many an argument with him but I must say he was right, in my opinion, about our Heathen gods and how we find them.
Andrew called that state of mind where we are between the worlds (that sense of inbetween-ness) as 'The one true circle of Arte'. He also then said that 'Nothing can ever be trully forgotten within 'the one true circle of Arte'
Here he makes a point of saying, albeit in that anoying way of allegory, that what was there and known by our ancestors is sill there and ingrained within our pesonal and cultural psyche.
Magisters from the Traditional currents like Chumbley and Cochrane made great mention of the importence of connecting with our gods. They would also make known that to do so one must first find them 'within and without'
Both Chumbley and Cochrane found the gods of the forrest and the heath were best found in them places, as I myself have found their essence.
By connecting to them in that liminal state we begin to see them with greater clarity.
There needs be little read about our gods as they WILL speak to the deeper part of the human mind. They will never leave us as they are part of us. Their ways will be revealed to us because we have never really forgoten them.
No man will ever need tell you of our gods as they will speak to them that seek them out in their places.
When called upon they will come.
Remember, our gods are personal and the true purpose of a coven is to teach the acolyte how to see but not what to see. Such revelations become also personal to the acolyte.
To them that would seek our Heathen Gods I say ' seek them in the solitude of mind and seek them in the field, forrest and upon the heath'
Thunor bletsian
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Forgive me for coming in late on this. I too have found a way to follow the crooked path, much of the above is now reflected in my psyche and one all pervading truth is the place and importance of the Old Gods, they came before us, they inspire us and are a part of us. Whatever one may call the place we find ourselves in a relationship such as this (heathen, pagan, devotee, supplicant et al) we have a common heart-beat with this, let us all as true brothers embrace this gift we have, it will help us in the coming task.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 01:11 AM
KingSaeward, on 04 February 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:
Whats with all the minus points....
I did not notice that there were 'minus-points' here, maybe it is my positive character? I have 'plussed' most of the posts here not because I feel at ease with so many like-minded individuals but because I genuinely feel there is a place for more recognition of this subject within our 'ranks,'
Maybe not all here will be of the old faith but it is a stirring ethos to grasp and a hub that we all could revolve around and we crank up the wheel of action.
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I've got used to hearing 'Donner und Blitzen' when I read that blessing. Now it'll be 'Thunor's cardigan'. 
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 03:01 PM
Doverian - To an extent, it is already recognised
http://www.secularis...thepaganan.html
The Extraordinary Case Of The Pagan And The Multicultural Prayer Room
An extraordinary — one might almost say unbelievable — industrial tribunal case in Manchester in March gave a rare insight into how attempts to accommodate “multicultural” religious needs at work actually appear only to apply to Muslims. It developed around a spat between Muslim employees at the Royal Mail and a member of the Odinist Fellowship (a group that apparently worships the old Nordic gods).
The case — Royal Mail group PLC versus Donald Holden — was described in a document posted on the TUC website by Robin Jackson, the information officer of the Odinist Fellowship, who attended both days of the hearing. Mr Jackson reported:
“Many of you will be surprised, as I was, to learn that, increasingly, employers with a large proportion of Muslim staff are being obliged to set aside rooms in the workplace for Muslim prayers, and to allow their employees to take time away from their duties to engage in these prayers. At the Mail Centre where Donald worked, there was just such a room, which was designated as a ‘Multicultural Room’. That is important, because never, at any time, did the Royal Mail claim that the Room was solely for Muslim use, or that non-Muslims might not use it for their own purposes.”
Mr Holden tried to use the room for his own religious purposes – which is ostensibly what it was for – but it quickly became apparent that it was, in reality, a Muslim Club Room, full of Korans and prayer calendars. Mr Holden left sheets of paper about Odinism in the room, on a chair by the sink.
One item of evidence at the tribunal was a book which required users of the room to sign for a key on entering and leaving. Mr Holden’s visits were always of short duration, and mainly on a Saturday, when the place was mostly empty. Mr Jackson takes up the story:
“I was able to see for myself, that certain names and signatures, evidently belonging to Muslim employees, recurred time and time again in the signing-in book, sometimes three or four times in a single shift, and that the duration of their stays was half an hour or more. Some would call this ‘skiving’.”
Obviously Mr Holden’s use of the room was not welcomed by the Muslim employees and eventually an anonymous complaint was made to the management that a “muddy footprint had been left on the carpet of the Multicultural Room.” As Mr Jackson reports: “What could this mean? There could be only one possible interpretation: quite clearly, the culprit had intended to attack the Muslim religion. And not only was it, self-evidently, an anti-Muslim footprint, but on closer examination it became obvious that it must have been an anti-Islamic boot; and no doubt that anti-Islamic boot had been wielded by an Islamophobic foot. And who else could that Islamophobic foot belong to? The principle suspect had to be Donald, of course!”
Incredibly, the Royal Mail set up hidden cameras in the room to trap the culprit who was causing the ‘damage’. After five months of this surveillance – no doubt costing thousands of pounds – the management admitted that they had nothing on Mr Holden. In fact, during the tribunal hearing, no-one could be found who had actually seen the muddy footprint.
But the Royal Mail management did see Mr Holden in the room, leaving his literature on the chair by the sink and briefly appearing to pray. Then, on 23 February 2005, Mr Holden was hauled before the Royal Mail management to explain his actions. He was unsure at this point what he had done that needed explanation. None of the managers could agree what exactly his offence had been. Nevertheless, despite the vagueness of it all, he was suspended from work, accused of “religiously aggravated harassment directed against the Muslim faith”.
The investigating officer claimed it was because he was leaving his Odinist literature in the room, and suggested to Mr Holden that he was not a real believer and that there was no such religion as Odinism. He also confiscated Mr Holden’s religious literature and destroyed it. Imagine what would have happened if he had done that to Islamic literature!
However, Mr Holden’s suspension from the Royal Mail continued, and after a failed appeal, he eventually took action under the Employment Equality (Religion or Belief) Regulations 2003. The Royal Mail then dismissed him. He had worked for them for thirty-three years with a completely unblemished record. He lost his pension rights and his livelihood. And all because, the Royal Mail said, he walked on the carpet in the “Multicultural Room”, with his shoes on.
The Tribunal heard this tale with incredulity and decided that Mr Holden had been unfairly dismissed, and ordered the Royal Mail to pay a substantial compensation package likely to run into six figures.
Another outcome of this extraordinary case is that Odinism is now a legally recognised religion – and, by extension, so are all pagan religions.
http://www.secularis...thepaganan.html
The Extraordinary Case Of The Pagan And The Multicultural Prayer Room
An extraordinary — one might almost say unbelievable — industrial tribunal case in Manchester in March gave a rare insight into how attempts to accommodate “multicultural” religious needs at work actually appear only to apply to Muslims. It developed around a spat between Muslim employees at the Royal Mail and a member of the Odinist Fellowship (a group that apparently worships the old Nordic gods).
The case — Royal Mail group PLC versus Donald Holden — was described in a document posted on the TUC website by Robin Jackson, the information officer of the Odinist Fellowship, who attended both days of the hearing. Mr Jackson reported:
“Many of you will be surprised, as I was, to learn that, increasingly, employers with a large proportion of Muslim staff are being obliged to set aside rooms in the workplace for Muslim prayers, and to allow their employees to take time away from their duties to engage in these prayers. At the Mail Centre where Donald worked, there was just such a room, which was designated as a ‘Multicultural Room’. That is important, because never, at any time, did the Royal Mail claim that the Room was solely for Muslim use, or that non-Muslims might not use it for their own purposes.”
Mr Holden tried to use the room for his own religious purposes – which is ostensibly what it was for – but it quickly became apparent that it was, in reality, a Muslim Club Room, full of Korans and prayer calendars. Mr Holden left sheets of paper about Odinism in the room, on a chair by the sink.
One item of evidence at the tribunal was a book which required users of the room to sign for a key on entering and leaving. Mr Holden’s visits were always of short duration, and mainly on a Saturday, when the place was mostly empty. Mr Jackson takes up the story:
“I was able to see for myself, that certain names and signatures, evidently belonging to Muslim employees, recurred time and time again in the signing-in book, sometimes three or four times in a single shift, and that the duration of their stays was half an hour or more. Some would call this ‘skiving’.”
Obviously Mr Holden’s use of the room was not welcomed by the Muslim employees and eventually an anonymous complaint was made to the management that a “muddy footprint had been left on the carpet of the Multicultural Room.” As Mr Jackson reports: “What could this mean? There could be only one possible interpretation: quite clearly, the culprit had intended to attack the Muslim religion. And not only was it, self-evidently, an anti-Muslim footprint, but on closer examination it became obvious that it must have been an anti-Islamic boot; and no doubt that anti-Islamic boot had been wielded by an Islamophobic foot. And who else could that Islamophobic foot belong to? The principle suspect had to be Donald, of course!”
Incredibly, the Royal Mail set up hidden cameras in the room to trap the culprit who was causing the ‘damage’. After five months of this surveillance – no doubt costing thousands of pounds – the management admitted that they had nothing on Mr Holden. In fact, during the tribunal hearing, no-one could be found who had actually seen the muddy footprint.
But the Royal Mail management did see Mr Holden in the room, leaving his literature on the chair by the sink and briefly appearing to pray. Then, on 23 February 2005, Mr Holden was hauled before the Royal Mail management to explain his actions. He was unsure at this point what he had done that needed explanation. None of the managers could agree what exactly his offence had been. Nevertheless, despite the vagueness of it all, he was suspended from work, accused of “religiously aggravated harassment directed against the Muslim faith”.
The investigating officer claimed it was because he was leaving his Odinist literature in the room, and suggested to Mr Holden that he was not a real believer and that there was no such religion as Odinism. He also confiscated Mr Holden’s religious literature and destroyed it. Imagine what would have happened if he had done that to Islamic literature!
However, Mr Holden’s suspension from the Royal Mail continued, and after a failed appeal, he eventually took action under the Employment Equality (Religion or Belief) Regulations 2003. The Royal Mail then dismissed him. He had worked for them for thirty-three years with a completely unblemished record. He lost his pension rights and his livelihood. And all because, the Royal Mail said, he walked on the carpet in the “Multicultural Room”, with his shoes on.
The Tribunal heard this tale with incredulity and decided that Mr Holden had been unfairly dismissed, and ordered the Royal Mail to pay a substantial compensation package likely to run into six figures.
Another outcome of this extraordinary case is that Odinism is now a legally recognised religion – and, by extension, so are all pagan religions.
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At last a light at the end of this tunnel. A slow and agonising pox on all those RM officials.
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KingSaeward, on 12 January 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:
We'll have to have another chat soon down the Eagle I reckon. I've been interested in occultism for years but finding only Wiccans, I stopped bothering. The fluffs are an annoying bunch: and most of them have no clue as to the true meanings behind ritual.
This may sound strange, but I like to think of our Gods in two senses at the same time. On another plane outside of this space and time the Gods exist in their own right, and we are apart of them. At the same time though, in this world, we carry them in our bloodlines and our souls. I think reading too much has produced this odd outlook though, lol.
I also seek a link with the land, I identify that the land has its own spirit, and to a degree this has meant that there is a cross over between Druidism (well actually the pre-Druidic religions, but the original culture for this land had no name) and Heathenism. This is the way I see how we end up still revering figures like the Green Man way up until the 19th Century.
This may sound strange, but I like to think of our Gods in two senses at the same time. On another plane outside of this space and time the Gods exist in their own right, and we are apart of them. At the same time though, in this world, we carry them in our bloodlines and our souls. I think reading too much has produced this odd outlook though, lol.
I also seek a link with the land, I identify that the land has its own spirit, and to a degree this has meant that there is a cross over between Druidism (well actually the pre-Druidic religions, but the original culture for this land had no name) and Heathenism. This is the way I see how we end up still revering figures like the Green Man way up until the 19th Century.
You're not the only one!
I don't pretend to know what, who or where the gods are. It's enough that occasionally I have come across several entities in my shamanic work who are not human - they have been shapeshifters, they have taken the forms of men or animals and some have also tried to trick me or test me. I believe in multiple worlds also, and in time/space as a spiral and therefore it's perhaps possible to inhabit more than one time/space (though I'm no quantum physicist, far from it!). I believe it's possible for your body to remain in one place and your consciousness to travel far beyond the stars to somewhere...else. I have experienced something of that sort on several occasions myself.
I also believe to some degree in the potential for the soul to grow and strengthen and traverse these planes of existence, or reincarnate. In my work I've seen strange places that seem like home. For me, that link to the land is important - I see it as an anchor, some way of coming back if you leave unexpectedly. Hard to explain; I've never tried to put this into words before.
I've spent several years as a half-hearted Wiccan and then a member of the Children of Artemis, before I royally pissed them all off with my 'lack of empathy'. Tee hee! My best friend's gf is a Wiccan and regularly goes in for the naked flogging and Hecate-invoking shite, not only believing that that's the RIGHT and ONLY way to do it, but also having the gall to tell me that mine is the WRONG way!
Could be worse, could be one of those freaky Tinkerbell types that actually think they are 'Fae'. I try not to pour scorn on other people's spiritual beliefs if they're not harming/deluding anyone but themselves, but the 'fae' are just too easy! Wearing a pair of pink wings doesn't make you a fairy! Not in that sense anyway...
I call myself a heathen for want of any other description for a very eclectic and haphazard path, but I don't want any 'official' definition imposed on my beliefs and practices; therefore, I see no need or reason for state sanction. And I don't want it lumped in with the organised religions. I eschewed them because I like thinking for myself and finding, through thought, memory and experience, my own way through my soul and my life. I don't want a priesthood or hierarchy (other than the gods above me, why should I accept other people's knowledge on spiritual matters? It's not MY experience, it's only theirs).
And I don't do ritual. If I want to talk to a spiritual entity, then I talk to it. I don't see how tying a fucking pink ribbon to my telephone or lighting a candle and chanting poetry will help any....! (and if I were a god I'd fuck off in disgust)
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Posted 18 February 2012 - 12:52 AM
Aelfcynn, on 17 February 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:
You're not the only one!
I don't pretend to know what, who or where the gods are. It's enough that occasionally I have come across several entities in my shamanic work who are not human - they have been shapeshifters, they have taken the forms of men or animals and some have also tried to trick me or test me. I believe in multiple worlds also, and in time/space as a spiral and therefore it's perhaps possible to inhabit more than one time/space (though I'm no quantum physicist, far from it!). I believe it's possible for your body to remain in one place and your consciousness to travel far beyond the stars to somewhere...else. I have experienced something of that sort on several occasions myself.
I also believe to some degree in the potential for the soul to grow and strengthen and traverse these planes of existence, or reincarnate. In my work I've seen strange places that seem like home. For me, that link to the land is important - I see it as an anchor, some way of coming back if you leave unexpectedly. Hard to explain; I've never tried to put this into words before.
I've spent several years as a half-hearted Wiccan and then a member of the Children of Artemis, before I royally pissed them all off with my 'lack of empathy'. Tee hee! My best friend's gf is a Wiccan and regularly goes in for the naked flogging and Hecate-invoking shite, not only believing that that's the RIGHT and ONLY way to do it, but also having the gall to tell me that mine is the WRONG way!
Could be worse, could be one of those freaky Tinkerbell types that actually think they are 'Fae'. I try not to pour scorn on other people's spiritual beliefs if they're not harming/deluding anyone but themselves, but the 'fae' are just too easy! Wearing a pair of pink wings doesn't make you a fairy! Not in that sense anyway...
I call myself a heathen for want of any other description for a very eclectic and haphazard path, but I don't want any 'official' definition imposed on my beliefs and practices; therefore, I see no need or reason for state sanction. And I don't want it lumped in with the organised religions. I eschewed them because I like thinking for myself and finding, through thought, memory and experience, my own way through my soul and my life. I don't want a priesthood or hierarchy (other than the gods above me, why should I accept other people's knowledge on spiritual matters? It's not MY experience, it's only theirs).
And I don't do ritual. If I want to talk to a spiritual entity, then I talk to it. I don't see how tying a fucking pink ribbon to my telephone or lighting a candle and chanting poetry will help any....! (and if I were a god I'd fuck off in disgust)
I don't pretend to know what, who or where the gods are. It's enough that occasionally I have come across several entities in my shamanic work who are not human - they have been shapeshifters, they have taken the forms of men or animals and some have also tried to trick me or test me. I believe in multiple worlds also, and in time/space as a spiral and therefore it's perhaps possible to inhabit more than one time/space (though I'm no quantum physicist, far from it!). I believe it's possible for your body to remain in one place and your consciousness to travel far beyond the stars to somewhere...else. I have experienced something of that sort on several occasions myself.
I also believe to some degree in the potential for the soul to grow and strengthen and traverse these planes of existence, or reincarnate. In my work I've seen strange places that seem like home. For me, that link to the land is important - I see it as an anchor, some way of coming back if you leave unexpectedly. Hard to explain; I've never tried to put this into words before.
I've spent several years as a half-hearted Wiccan and then a member of the Children of Artemis, before I royally pissed them all off with my 'lack of empathy'. Tee hee! My best friend's gf is a Wiccan and regularly goes in for the naked flogging and Hecate-invoking shite, not only believing that that's the RIGHT and ONLY way to do it, but also having the gall to tell me that mine is the WRONG way!
Could be worse, could be one of those freaky Tinkerbell types that actually think they are 'Fae'. I try not to pour scorn on other people's spiritual beliefs if they're not harming/deluding anyone but themselves, but the 'fae' are just too easy! Wearing a pair of pink wings doesn't make you a fairy! Not in that sense anyway...
I call myself a heathen for want of any other description for a very eclectic and haphazard path, but I don't want any 'official' definition imposed on my beliefs and practices; therefore, I see no need or reason for state sanction. And I don't want it lumped in with the organised religions. I eschewed them because I like thinking for myself and finding, through thought, memory and experience, my own way through my soul and my life. I don't want a priesthood or hierarchy (other than the gods above me, why should I accept other people's knowledge on spiritual matters? It's not MY experience, it's only theirs).
And I don't do ritual. If I want to talk to a spiritual entity, then I talk to it. I don't see how tying a fucking pink ribbon to my telephone or lighting a candle and chanting poetry will help any....! (and if I were a god I'd fuck off in disgust)
We do have a number of like-minded people here, take heart you are not alone. There are many paths to the truth, even wica to some, and yes candles do have their place, I use one each day as a focal-point in my daily observance of my ancestors and their place in my 'two lives'.
Our link to our predecessors can help us is the fight to come, our spiritual past can be our drive to the future.
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Posted 18 February 2012 - 08:38 AM
I've had a few 'out of body' experiances, usually when I have had one too many down the local!
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"I feel Extreme emotional sadness for the young men I knew that gave their lives willingly for a cause in which we all believed. And I often say to myself now if those young boys would come down now and walk through the villages,through the towns and through the cities and look around and see what is happening to us, they would say somewhere along the line we have been BETRAYED."
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"I feel Extreme emotional sadness for the young men I knew that gave their lives willingly for a cause in which we all believed. And I often say to myself now if those young boys would come down now and walk through the villages,through the towns and through the cities and look around and see what is happening to us, they would say somewhere along the line we have been BETRAYED."
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Posted 18 February 2012 - 11:35 AM
randwulf the middle saxon, on 18 February 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:
I've had a few 'out of body' experiances, usually when I have had one too many down the local!
Yea me two mate, me two...
Lo þær drohtoþ ic lóc min fæder, Lo þær dorhtoþ ic lóc min módor ond min gesweostor, ond min gebródor. Lo þær drohtoþ ic lóc séo lang of min Angelfolc. Lo hig drohtoþ gecégan æt mé ond bid mé bryidan min bæcern ámang þæge rice þæt wiusæl of valhalla bæcern þæt mðdhwæt magan búan widan.
"Lo There do i see my Father. Lo There do i see my Mother. My Sisters and my Brothers. Lo There do i see the line of my People going back to the Beginning. Lo They do call to me. They bid me take my place among them. In the Halls of VALHALLA. Where the BRAVE MAY LIVE FOR EVER."
Harold II Cining of á þæt Angelfolc wæs ond áforþ sy uncer rihtcynn inlendiac cining.
HAROLD II, KING OF ALL THE ENGLISC. WAS AND STILL IS OUR TRUE NATIVE KING.
"Lo There do i see my Father. Lo There do i see my Mother. My Sisters and my Brothers. Lo There do i see the line of my People going back to the Beginning. Lo They do call to me. They bid me take my place among them. In the Halls of VALHALLA. Where the BRAVE MAY LIVE FOR EVER."
Harold II Cining of á þæt Angelfolc wæs ond áforþ sy uncer rihtcynn inlendiac cining.
HAROLD II, KING OF ALL THE ENGLISC. WAS AND STILL IS OUR TRUE NATIVE KING.
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Posted 18 February 2012 - 02:42 PM
randwulf the middle saxon, on 18 February 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:
I've had a few 'out of body' experiances, usually when I have had one too many down the local!
Well, I have had more 'out of mind' experiences than most, and it shows!
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:30 AM
KingSaeward, on 28 December 2011 - 10:34 PM, said:
I'm sure those of you on this site who are heathens are aware that Iceland's Government recently recogised the old faith. Is it worth trying for the same thing in England? I'am aware that in real terms it would change nothing, but it would be nice for our ancestors to get some recognition from the state since they've been busy handing over our birth rights for the past fifty years.
Odinic Rite are a bona fide state recognised religious charity and have been for well over a decade. So Asatru is a state recognised religion. Check with the Charities Commission.
Talking of out of the body experiences I had one when I was a child, I was electrocuted when I turned on an unearthed tap and I remember seeing myself lying on the couch, I was looking down upon myself. I think I was six at the time and the memory has never left me.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:45 PM
can this room be used for anyother purpose..if so make some ham sandwiches..and have your break in there...or a nice bit of black pudding..
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:22 AM
We are all too well aware of how the Left/multicultists can never restrain their urge to rail about 'Human Rights', well this is the one worth knowing by heart:
Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR)
Article 18: Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance only with the permission of the person and not by force.
Incidentally, Saudi Arabia refused to sign up because the UDHR violated Islamic law
Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR)
Article 18: Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance only with the permission of the person and not by force.
Incidentally, Saudi Arabia refused to sign up because the UDHR violated Islamic law
