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[Andy]

'Hitler wasn't all bad': One in ten Austrian teens think Nazi leader did 'good things', shock survey reveals

• One in four of those polled believe there are 'too many Turks' in Austria, the predominant immigrant group
  
• 18.2 per cent declared 'Jews have now, like before, too much influence over the world economy'

By Allan Hall
Last updated at 9:53 PM on 16th December 2011

Austrians are shocked by a new survey which shows that one in ten young people think Adolf Hitler was not all bad and that he did some 'good things'.
Many are also anti-immigrant and anti-foreigner despite years of multi-cultural teaching in schools.
The country's Kurier newspaper called the findings by the Youth Culture Research Institute 'frightening' - particularly as it is coupled with the general mistrust and dislike of non-Austrians.


Austria's Kurier newspaper called the findings by the Youth Culture Research Institute 'frightening'. Above, a group of young neo-nazis attend an annual military festival in Karnburg, south of Vienna
Austria has struggled with its relationship to Nazis in general and Hitler in particular ever since 1945.
The country was taken over by Hitler - himself an Austrian by birth - in 1938.

Welcomed by euphoric crowds at the time, post-war Austrian retreated to a psychological comfort zone whereby they classified themselves as the 'first victims' of the regime.

Pollsters were astonished when 11.2 per cent of them said that Hitler 'did many good things for the people'

The new survey asked youngsters aged between 16 and 19 what they thought of the dictator.
Pollsters were astonished when 11.2 per cent of them said that Hitler 'did many good things for the people'.
And one in four of them believe there are 'too many Turks' in Austria, the predominant immigrant group.
'Young, open, tolerant? The ideal of an open, socially minded younger generation remains, as a current study shows, an illusion,' said Austria's Standard newspaper.
'Youth are openly hostile to foreigners and are anti-Semitic to an amazingly large degree.'
'Too many Turks live in this country,' said 43.6 percent of the respondents.
Perhaps more sinisterly, in a statement that harks directly back to the Nazis, 18.2 per cent of them declared that 'Jews have now, like before, too much influence over the world economy'.
It was feeding on prejudice like this in the socially depressed atmosphere of the 1920s and 30s that allowed the Nazis to demonise Jews, isolate them and finally exterminate them on a massive scale.
The Youth And Zeitgeist study was carried out among 400 young people in the capital Vienna - the city where Hitler lived as a down-and-out in the days before WWI and where his hatred of Jews flourished.

Barbara Rosenkranz of the far Right-wing Austrian Freedom Party claps during an election rally in Sankt Poelten, west of Vienna last year. Exit polls showed she received 15.5 per cent of the vote

Those who carried out the survey said that the most extremist views were expressed by the less educated - but they said that even well-educated youngsters harboured extremist viewpoints but expressed them in more 'subtle' ways.
In total, 40.5 per cent of respondents agreed with the statement that 'for many immigrants, the Austrians are viewed as a lesser people'.
This, again, is a viewpoint straight from the textbook of the original Nazis.
They expressed great fears for future job prospects and felt that Turkish immigrants were rivals to them for work, said study author Beate Grossegger.
'Political education has failed,' she said while Bernhard Heinzlmaier, chairman of the institute, said xenophobia had 'arrived' among the well-educated young people of the middle classes.
'They do not express themselves politically incorrectly in public but they are coolly amoral entrepreneurs for whom others are not fellow human beings but competitors.'
He blamed years of 'neo-liberally brainwashing' for their viewpoints.


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[Aengifu]

"Many are also anti-immigrant and anti-foreigner despite years of multi-cultural teaching in schools.".  Very encouraging!

[Andy]

Though no supporter of Adolf, after all many English died at his hands, the use of Adolf and Nazism to promote the mass immigration of foreign peoples into western countries is wearing thin.

ALL nations defend their ethnic culture and identity if they wish to exist.  The Turks are not seeing their ethnic identity being destroyed but the Austrians are.
Why should we accept mass immigration into our countries?
Why should we see our culture undermined?
Why should we see our identity undermined?

Mass immigration and multi culturism is erosion of our identity and culture.  We wouldnt be seeing these problems if Adolf had won the war.  We would be seeing other attacks on our freedoms etc.

For the Austrians to be starting to claim Adolf wasnt all bad even after school multi cultural brainwashing then immigration is a big problem for the Austrians!

[Andy]

Aengifu, on 17 December 2011 - 05:05 PM, said:

"Many are also anti-immigrant and anti-foreigner despite years of multi-cultural teaching in schools.".  Very encouraging!

Like our own schools. brainwashing the young to accept destructive polices of mass immigration and multi-culturism will also fail

[Steven]

It is interesting how after years, nay decades of indoctrination the youth especially are becoming resistant to the narrative. They don't want an identity defined by politicians, anymore than they want their society re-engineered by immigrants. It's about survival, something the authorities fail to understand, which itself betrays a complete lack of self-awareness on their part. I see no need to 'worship' Hitler, frankly it's not necessary.

Steve

[3 SONS OF OLD ENGLAND]

Im not a fan of Adolf either but who am I to criticise how the Austrians think,after all Im not Austrian , I am however Englisc so there lies the parallel.

[Nomad]

To be honest I don't think this is about Hitler it just seems like everywhere else in Europe the Austrians are getting fed up of this multi cultural shite thats being forced upon them. I think if they had used another example the response would of been exactly the same. There multi cultural experiment is failing more and more people are seeing beyond the lies and exaggerated fiction to start seeing the truth. However I do see this as being swept under the carpet, but the masses can't/won't be ignored and kept quiet for much longer

[Andy]

I agree that if the Austrians had another example they would adopt him/her.

However

We also run the risk of being labled Nazis and Adolf supporters, at work I have pictures of me with Adolf mustaches drawn on them.  So are the Austrians growing into a new third reich or are they just, like us being labled by the media.

1 in 4 young Austrians think their are too many foreigners:
while in England 3 in 10 Britians think immigration into Britain should stop.

And though I know bugger all about Adolfs policies and dont care to research them either, I would gues that being a nationalist he will have policies that appeal to us just as if we approached joe Bloggs on the street and said 'do you support policy A'? without telling them it is one of Adolphs then I rekon many people would support it.  Does that make them all Nazi's....no.
Adolph  took his nationalism to extremes that we on here do not agree with.

[Witnere]

Some of the most "intolerant" things I've ever heard said by English people have been by youngsters who've grown-up in the full glare of multiculturalism and multiracialism. It's not only Austria.

[Steed]

Nomad, on 17 December 2011 - 06:25 PM, said:

To be honest I don't think this is about Hitler it just seems like everywhere else in Europe the Austrians are getting fed up of this multi cultural shite thats being forced upon them.

Yes, but it's interesting that many of them are taking the less acceptable position against multiculturalism of criticising the power that Jews hold. Islamophobia is almost the acceptable expression of nationalism, whereas Judeophobia is reserved for the brave,

[Rídend]

Adolf and his cronies as a political entity did more damage to the German folk than any outside force before their appearance. It is because of Nazism that we got the savage reaction of enforced multiculturalism and extreme liberalism that is now destroying so much of Western culture. This is what happens when you deal with extremes. Adolf and buddies got what they deserved. If anything it was the weak political leaders of the 1930's that allowed Nazi Germany to get its way with one thing after another through appeasement. Note 'appeasement', and transfer that today in how we deal with situations. It gets you only one thing: postponed trouble and amplified at that. If other European powers had been more forceful you can bet the Nazi's would have backed down and toned things down. The march to war and political insanity was not inevitable. Once again, blame the politicians for making the average person to suffer through their idiocy.

Nope, I'm no fan of Nazism as a political system no matter what good points can be brought to light. How can any Engliscmann even go there considering that so many lost family due to all that madness?

[badger]

The Lebensraum efforts of the German elements within the EU, economic downturn and inflation, xenophobia etc., are all reminiscent of the circumstances that led to Hitler's rise to power between the Wars. Muslims are the new Jews and liberals are the new Socialists. Nothing's new under the sun! And apart from that almost meaningless gesture from Camoron, the appeasement will surely follow!

[wesle]

the simple fact is people are tribal in nature it is so deeply routed in our sub concious and such an ingrained part of all people that it is only by massive propoganda emotional black mail and consistant manipulation of young minds that baring a few fanatics who i beleive to be genuinly mentally ill that multiculturalism can be forced to appear to work but even with that manipulation as the reality of life and of personal experiance kicks in that brainwashing in more and more is being washed away and the true tribal nature of the person is allowed to emerge into the light and as more people have the courage to speak out it becomes more socially acceptable to speak out creating a feed back loop(which is pretty much the reverse of how political correctness was able to take root).

[Andy]

There are no Englishmen here giving any support for Adolf or the Nazi's.

However we can see as Ridend stated that in an attempt to counter nationalism the Liberals have used mass immigration, multi culturism etc to destroy our nations.
Now because of the damage caused by the reverse policies mentioned above we are seeing a resurgance of nationalism.

Why cant our governments just leave well enough alone?  Allow each nation to develop with confidence and security rather then undermining and weakening.
It will be this undermining and weakening which hands extremists power in the future.

[Steed]

Rídend, on 17 December 2011 - 11:57 PM, said:

How can any Engliscmann even go there considering that so many lost family due to all that madness?

Agreed, but there's far more to Hitler and WWII than meets the eye. All international conflict is fabricated by a few hidden 'third party' hands - researchers have found this to be the undeniable truth. I'm not saying Hitler was right, nor that he was altogether a plant by third-party hands - this is an area of investigation I hope to get into soon - but I am sure of one fact, which is that many who fought in that war died unnecessarily. That is perhaps the most uncomfortable, provocational view to hold and I don't expect to make many friends expressing it. No-one wants to hear that their fathers died in vein, much like no American wants to hear that their loved ones in the World Trade Center weren't murdered by Islamic terrorists.

[Nomad]

I'm just glad the youngsters are waking up and starting to see throught the lies peddled by the government and have come to there own conclusions. The more it appears the government try and brainwash people the more people seem to be sitting back and looking at the bigger picture.

[Rídend]

Steed, on 18 December 2011 - 09:52 AM, said:

.... No-one wants to hear that their fathers died in vein, . . . .

Oh you mean like the good service men and women dying or maimed to protect the interests of big oil companies and the surrounding industries that serve as fartcatchers, all under the guise of freedom, democracy, human rights and anything else the neutered lapdogs called our political leaders spew as the reason?

[Searu man]

What this indicates is that, even in a country so heavily guilt-ridden, brainwashed, and PC as Austria, things are so bad that people are actually prepared to contemplate the "joys" of National Socialism. This says far more about the state of Europe than about the attitude of young Austrians!

[Steed]

Rídend, on 18 December 2011 - 03:54 PM, said:

Oh you mean like the good service men and women dying or maimed to protect the interests of big oil companies and the surrounding industries that serve as fartcatchers, all under the guise of freedom, democracy, human rights and anything else the neutered lapdogs called our political leaders spew as the reason?

[KingSaeward]

Don't get me wrong because Im not a neo-nazi, but it would be interesting to ask what aspects of hitler these youths actually agreed with? Had the Nazi party not been bent on creating as much death as possible - then history would have proven National Socialism the best form of Government.

Science, ecology, animal welfare, transport infrastructure, social cohesion, the list goes on - all these things were possible under the nazi's.

Im not supporting Hitler at all, Im just saying that you can agree with Hitler without wanting to, or realising it.