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[Aengifu]

Germany's neo-Nazi underground

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Ten murders blamed on a neo-Nazi underground cell have raised fresh fears about far-right extremism in Germany. BBC Radio One Newsbeat's Sima Kotecha went to investigate.

It is difficult to digest that places like this still exist in modern-day Germany.

Jamel - a tiny village encircled by fields - sits in the northeastern state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania on the coast of the Baltic sea, and is believed to be home to a group of right-wing extremists.

"I think you should not be here because you don't look like the people from this area".

Not the most reassuring words from my German companion, Horst Krumpen, the Chairman of the Network for Democracy, Tolerance, and Humanity in the neighbouring town of Wismar.

There was no disguising his concern for my safety because of my racial origin.

As we began our walk into Jamel, the trepidation set in. Attack dogs behind fences barked incessantly, while the wind whistled loudly.

The large metal shutters on most of the windows relayed the message - this is a private place. It felt sinister.

The Nazi-era propaganda became visible inside a cul-de-sac of only ten houses or so. We were met by a mural of a rock with the words: "Jamel village community - free, social, national".

From a rock sprouted a sign pointing to the former German cities of Koenigsberg (now Kaliningrad in Russia), and Breslau (now Wroclaw in Poland). The latter was the last Nazi stronghold during the Second World War.

There have been reports of pro-Hitler parties here during the summer months where guests sing "Hitler is my Fuehrer", and chant "Heil" around a bonfire. The village is in one of only two states where the far-right National Democratic Party (NPD) has a seat in parliament.

It is places like Jamel that are increasingly worrying the German Bundestag - especially after recent revelations of a neo-Nazi terror cell in the eastern town of Zwickau which operated under the name "National Socialist Underground" (NSU).

Investigators believe it was behind a string of racially motivated murders between 2000 and 2006 in which eight Turks and a Greek were killed. A policewoman was murdered in 2007.

Chancellor Angela Merkel said the murders brought "shame" on the nation and were a "disgrace".

But tucked away from the hustle and bustle is a 34-year-old former neo-Nazi who has agreed to meet us on condition that we do not reveal his identity.

"We stirred up discontent and unrest. Violence was part of the scene, the whole ideology of the movement is based on violence, and it is seen as a legitimate means to reach political targets.
"The inhibition threshold to go as far as killing people is very low," he says.

His eyes are a piercing blue and his icy stare is solid. He tells us he never killed anyone but came close to it.
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By the way, I sent the Beeb a complaint:-

"Why does your reporter consider it necessary to say "His eyes are a piercing blue" when referring to a former neo-Nazi.  Would he say something equivalent of a black supremacist?  No, of course not.  This is racism."

[Steven]

Aengifu, on 07 December 2011 - 01:38 PM, said:

By the way, I sent the Beeb a complaint:- "Why does your reporter consider it necessary to say "His eyes are a piercing blue" when referring to a former neo-Nazi. Would he say something equivalent of a black supremacist? No, of course not. This is racism."

Good point, well made. The BBC kept referring to Anders Brievik as the 'blue-eyed blonde assassin' - the message being the race that has those features are murdering racists who must be liquidated.

BTW Rastafarians are black supremiscists

Steve

[Woden's Child]

Aengifu, on 07 December 2011 - 01:38 PM, said:

By the way, I sent the Beeb a complaint:-

"Why does your reporter consider it necessary to say "His eyes are a piercing blue" when referring to a former neo-Nazi.  Would he say something equivalent of a black supremacist?  No, of course not.  This is racism."

Thing is, Aengifu, you'd have to get the BBC to recognise that there are such things as black and Asian supremacists.  The only racists and supremacists they'll acknowledge the existence of are...well you don't need me to tell you.

[badger]

Perhaps we ought to see this in its correct perspective. Jamal consists of a whole 10 houses, and 28 adults - 10 of whom are suspected to have right-wing leanings! Hardly the 1936 Nuremburg Rally! There's more than 10 right-wingers in my village!

This story is almost a year old, why has it been resurrected?

[Harold Godwinsson]

badger, on 07 December 2011 - 06:04 PM, said:

Perhaps we ought to see this in its correct perspective. Jamal consists of a whole 10 houses, and 28 adults - 10 of whom are suspected to have right-wing leanings! Hardly the 1936 Nuremburg Rally! There's more than 10 right-wingers in my village!

This story is almost a year old, why has it been resurrected?

Good point.............If its an old story, why bring it back? I've noticed the same with other old stories..........

Besides the BBC, were how should i put it.........Over did the shock horror act, with this thing, but then they've always been a tad Bet Davis with the so-called Right Wing.............

HG

[Witnere]

You know what? Nazis really bore me. Or rather the media's obsession with Nazis bores me. Why don't they go get a life and start reporting on real things that actually affect our lives, you know.... like corrupt self-serving politicians in the pay of banksters, and glaring inequalities of justice for native English folk? Why not do that instead of trekking halfway across Yoorup to seek out a bunch of oddballs with an obsession with a dead Austrian with a funny moustache?

[Harold Godwinsson]

Witnere, on 08 December 2011 - 12:05 AM, said:

You know what? Nazis really bore me. Or rather the media's obsession with Nazis bores me. Why don't they go get a life and start reporting on real things that actually affect our lives, you know.... like corrupt self-serving politicians in the pay of banksters, and glaring inequalities of justice for native English folk? Why not do that instead of trekking halfway across Yoorup to seek out a bunch of oddballs with an obsession with a dead Austrian with a funny moustache?

Couldn't have said it better myself mate...............

[wesle]

their obsessed with the nazi,s because it was the actions of the nazi,s who gave the left there opening into power at the end of the last war the natural revulsion felt by people was harnessed to propell the people who claimed to be the antithis of the nazi,s into power and they have been milking it ever since as far as hitler goes he was probly the worst thing to happen to the white races because his actions led to the position of us being in danger of being wiped from the face of the planet with the consent and collusion of the liberal elite.

[southerner]

The next story / stories will be about minorities being mistreated by the evil whites /  nazis.

[Steven]

The Nazi meme underpins the whole victimhood industry, without it what would they say: "you [insert word] pig, you're a fucking [insert word] you are, just like the [insert word] were back in [insert date] when they murdered [insert very large number] innocent [insert religion] people."

Steve

[southerner]

Steven, on 08 December 2011 - 01:47 AM, said:

The Nazi meme underpins the whole victimhood industry, without it what would they say: "you [insert word] pig, you're a fucking [insert word] you are, just like the [insert word] were back in [insert date] when they murdered [insert very large number] innocent [insert religion] people."

Steve

While constantly reenforcing the idea that it was only whites that did any evil.

[Wolof]

You can't expect anything less than propagandized bullshit from Newsbeat. Oh, and reporters with dubious origins.

[Steed]

Steven, on 08 December 2011 - 01:47 AM, said:

...when they murdered 5,999,999 innocent [insert religion] people."

Oh wait... it's a crime to suggest that even 1 less than 6,000,000 were brutally murdered isn't it. Sorry. Interesting though.

[Harold Godwinsson]

wesle, on 08 December 2011 - 01:08 AM, said:

their obsessed with the nazi,s because it was the actions of the nazi,s who gave the left there opening into power at the end of the last war the natural revulsion felt by people was harnessed to propell the people who claimed to be the antithis of the nazi,s into power and they have been milking it ever since as far as hitler goes he was probly the worst thing to happen to the white races because his actions led to the position of us being in danger of being wiped from the face of the planet with the consent and collusion of the liberal elite.

Yes but the Liberal Elite are white as well, and by cancelling us, their own people out, they cancel themselves out as well, because their pet darkies ain't going to let a bunch of White Bum Boys and Traitors to their own Rule of them are they....

Plus you need to understand that old Darky doesn't respect the likes of these Liberal Shirt Lifters, and Lefty Elites, in truth they respect us more, simply because we stay true to our own, and stick to our own... They have little or no respect at all for these Whites who creep around em, or these whites who shack up with em, or protect em when they've killed or raped or mugged old whitey.............I know it doesn't look like it, but they have more respect for us than they do our country men and woman who sell us out for them....................

So, sell us out, they sell themselves out, these Liberal Elites ain't very bright at all................

HG

[Andy]

Witnere, on 08 December 2011 - 12:05 AM, said:

You know what? Nazis really bore me. Or rather the media's obsession with Nazis bores me. Why don't they go get a life and start reporting on real things that actually affect our lives, you know.... like corrupt self-serving politicians in the pay of banksters, and glaring inequalities of justice for native English folk? Why not do that instead of trekking halfway across Yoorup to seek out a bunch of oddballs with an obsession with a dead Austrian with a funny moustache?

Britains Government and media need to keep old Adolf alive so they can use him to keep down nationalists like ourselfs.
OK many of us on here could no longer give a damn about being called Nazis etc but many new nationalists are being put off by the constant Nazi references.