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#1 osred

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 06:59 PM

THE LIGHT FROM THE EAST:
ENGLAND'S FORGOTTEN PATRON-SAINT

'I have vowed to live under Christ, to live under Christ alone, to reign under Christ alone'

St Edmund, King and Martyr


Although St Edmund has been the patron-saint of England for well over a thousand years, he has gradually been sidelined and today, in this land without saints, he is almost forgotten. Indeed, ever since the definitive establishment of the Normans in this country in the twelfth century, he has come to be neglected. Just as the Normans attempted to replace popular veneration for the Righteous English King Alfred with their fairy-tales and myths of the Non-English King Arthur, so they also tried to replace the memory of the English St Edmund with their crusaders' version of St George.

Edmund (Eadmund) was born on Christmas Day 841. Christian from infancy, in 856 he succeeded to the throne of what was perhaps the cradle of the English Nation in East Anglia. During his brief reign he came to fight alongside the future King Alfred in order to defend England from the invasions of the pagan Vikings. In 869 a great Viking army landed on the shores of his kingdom and Edmund marched out at the head of his army to defend the realm. The King was defeated and captured. In captivity he was ordered to renounce his faith and become a vassal of the heathen Danes, orders which he stoutly rejected. Repeating the name of Christ with his heart and his lips, he told them: 'Living or dead, nothing shall separate me from the love of Christ'. He was tied to a tree, tortured by being shot through with arrows, and then beheaded. His martyrdom took place on 20 November 869 at Hoxne in High Suffolk and his body was buried in a small wooden chapel nearby.

In 902 the relics, still incorrupt, were translated to Bedricsworth, at the very crossways of the four counties of Eastern England - Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex and Cambridgeshire. This town soon came to be called 'Edmundstowe', 'Edmundston' and finally was renamed Bury St. Edmunds. From this time on St Edmund became a local, and soon, national patron. In 929 the humble pilgrim King Athelstan founded a community to care for his shrine. In 945 another royal grandson of King Alfred, called Edmund, gave them further lands. St. Edmund had become the ideal English hero, a king and a martyr. The last purely English King of England, Edmund Ironside (+1014), was also named after him. In 1020 a monastic church was built over his shrine by King Canute and this was served by monks from Ely. Even after the final Viking Invasion and Occupation of 1066, the martyr's relics were placed in a refurbished shrine in a new church in 1095 and they continued to be a place of national pilgrimage.

However, in 1199 the French King of England, Richard I, was to call at the tomb of St. George in Lydda, while on the Third Crusade. Invoking the saint, he won a great victory and consequently placed himself and his army under St. George's protection. St. Edmund, however, remained the national patron. Thus in 1214 the future Magna Carta barons, in opposing Richard's younger brother, King John, rode to Bury St. Edmunds on St Edmund's day to make a pledge at the altar of St. Edmund to strengthen the national cause. In 1215 the Magna Carta was signed by King John in the water meadows of Runnymede. As a result of this historic event the motto of Bury St Edmunds remains to this day: 'Shrine of a King, Cradle of the Law'.

However, in the dynastic struggle after the hated King John's death in 1216, nearly all St Edmund's relics were stolen by French knights in 1217. They were taken to Toulouse in France and here they remained until 1901. The first consequence of this loss was that three years later, in 1220, St. George, already the personal patron of the sovereign, was inserted in the national calendar by Richard I's nephew, Henry III (1216-1272). Although the banner of St. Edmund was still carried by English forces in battle, by the time of Edward I (1272-1307) it had been joined by the banner of St. George.

The eclipse of St. Edmund continued in the reign of Edward III (1327-77) with the founding of the Order of the Garter dedicated to Our Lady and St. George. The English veneration of kingship allowed St. George to usurp the national patronage, although his title was never patron but 'specyel protectour and defendour of this royaume' (special protector and defender of the realm). However, even as late as the reign of Richard 11 (1377-99), a fine representation of St. Edmund as a national patron was made in the Wilton Diptych. In this he was accompanied by Edward the Confessor and St. John the Baptist as personal patrons, and there was still no sign of St. George.

Although in the reign of Henry VII (1457-1509), St. George was still only designated 'protector of the realm', it was under the Machiavellian tyrant Henry VIII (1491-1547) that St. Edmund became totally eclipsed. Henry actually removed St Edmund's name from the litanies of saints venerated in England and in 1539 he had the monastery at St Edmundsbury dissolved. Indeed after the Protestant Reformation, St George came to be one of the few saints to be at all known to the Protestant Church in England. Most of the relics of St Edmund (not the head-relic) were returned to the Roman Catholic authorities in England in 1901 and they are kept locked away at a private Catholic chapel in Arundel in Sussex.

It is our belief that these relics will not return to their home-town and their rightful veneration until English people return to him and all the values for which he stands. As Orthodox, with a history going back not only beyond the 469 years of the Protestant phase of English history (1535-2004), but also beyond the 469 years of the Roman Catholic phase of our island history (1066-1535), we believe that it is time for us to restore St Edmund to his rightful place in our history and in our hearts. He is the Light from the East, the gift born on Christmas Day, the defender of England and the defender of the right, the miracle of national unity and the revival of Christian Orthodoxy and national patriotism. His name, meaning 'blessed protection', recalls to us the words of his ancient hymn:

Exult, O Holy Church of the English; behold to Thee it is given to praise the illustrious king and most invincible martyr Edmund, who triumphing over the kings of this world, went up to heaven with great victory. O Holy Father Edmund, hearken unto those who pray unto thee.


HOLY MARTYR EDMUND, PRAY TO GOD FOR US!

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 08:48 PM

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 06:18 AM

Thank you for this, you have my support.
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Posted 22 January 2012 - 04:05 PM

Edmund has been part of a 'dumbing down' of English identity that begun after 1066 and has continued until today.  Yet here we proud English stand.

King Harold named a liar and thief by William
Norman kings begin naming theirselves as Englands kings adding the first, second etc.  Eg Edward the first  when obviousely he wasnt the first.
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Posted 22 January 2012 - 09:18 PM

A Norman was someone who would lay down your life for his country. When you look at who runs this country the Norman creed is still very much with us. Time is ripe and we should now get rid of them for all time.

Steve

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 07:04 PM

View PostSteven, on 22 January 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

A Norman was someone who would lay down your life for his country. When you look at who runs this country the Norman creed is still very much with us. Time is ripe and we should now get rid of them for all time.

Steve
Spot on Steve.
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Posted 31 January 2012 - 11:14 AM

http://www.mygen.com...aw/Wuffings.htm

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 03:59 PM

View PostWoden, on 31 January 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:


This is an astonishing trove of information, and just proves that i know so little about my country's true history. But it does fortify my desire to reclaim Edmund as our Spiritual head and patron saint. As i do not subscribe to the Xtian mythos this shows the reverence I hold for Edmund.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:32 AM

As a person in our history Edmund should surely be celebrated, more-so than St George that's for sure. However as unfortunate a fact what I'm about to say is, the word fact really does seem to sum up nicely what I mean when I say we should celebrate him only as a man; Christianity is bollocks.

I've been as open-minded over the last year as one could be, I've spoken to Christians and read their Gospels, I've tried to see their point-of-view however thanks to certain posts of here (the AF) amongst other sources I have infact seen that Christianity is a gross mix of stolen ideals, methods and excuses that before the Anglo-Saxons had even even heard of God had been squandered from Pagans. Looking as I have at Christians as people, one can't deny that their genuine and wonderful people, however I simply give up trying to understand their horrendous spout; the Anglo-Saxons would have been better-off staying Pagan, the Mercians as some of the last Pagan Anglo-Saxons should have done a better job of keeping back the Cross-pushers (I feel bad for Penda).

The Scandinavians may infact have not invaded so harshly and fiercely as they were doing around the 1st century, we would not have struggled to populate our armies around the Norman invasion - as of course we may not have even had to trek over the whole of England to beat-back the Danes prior to our defeats at the hands of Norman aggressors.

St Edmund is a great person, was anyway. He is a prime example of some we in England should be proud of and promote more-so than anyone else in his period. However I really have burst a bloody nerve trying to decipher God and his lying followers.

Paganism is a completely separate matter, as a nature-based ideology I can understand why people would adhere to that they teach - the fact is though England was founded by Heathens and Heathens alone.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 06:48 AM

I dont think you can understand god by reading any man writen book.
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 04:40 PM

View PostAndy, on 10 February 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

I dont think you can understand god by reading any man writen book.

Andy,
I agree, how can one understand a concept or an all-inclusive and immanent force (or whatever one may term such a thing a 'god')? The point made by Archer was Xtians and their bizarre formation and interpretation of their 'book of guide-lines and allegory'. Given that the 'Holy Bible' was gathered from all points of the known map and basically stole myths and lore from those far away places gives a good idea of the character of the book itself. To this I will remind you that certain 'gospels' were discarded and new ones added by whoever had the will and power to do so through time.
The council at Mycinae(I am sure that is spelled incorrectly) gives us an idea of the 'christian' way of not adhering to the original texts, particularly the gnostic ones. The power-brokers removed parts of this work-book and changed others to suite their own ends and lust for power. One perfect example was the passage "Suffer a poisoner not to live" being changed to "Suffer a WITCH not to live". This passage is extant.
Understanding what we know as god/God is beyond us all.

I can exist easily with Xtians, even Southern Baptists, but I do not recognise the validity of their book in its present form.

It is with this in mind that I remind you that I fully accept Edmund as is even though i do not accept his "little red book".

Forgive me members if this has been covered before, as I am sure it has, but it seemed appropriate here.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:24 AM

Very good, it's time to bring back the real Patron saint St. EdmundPosted Image

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:54 AM

He should be remembered by Englisc heathens and Xtians alike as a king who fought and died for what he thought was best for his people.

Kin trumps the whole lot. I'd take a English Anglican over a Welsh Heathen for example all that matters to me is the "English" bit.

Where are St.Edmunds remains and relics now? I read about them being in Toulouse until 1901 , then what happened?

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:55 PM

I am very much intrigued by the possibility of a new patron saint of England, and this Edmund the Martyr is a fascinating man.

Although, it begs the question, if we want St Edmund to have an honoured place in English culture, how do we ensure is not only remembered but celebrated? We're barely holding on to Saint George!! Posted Image

Does anyone know what we could do to commemorate him? We could fly flags in his honour it is true, but more than that I'm not sure...

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 12:06 AM

Restoring St Edmund as patron saint might not be that hard to imagine.  It wasn't that long ago that the politically correct forces  (Anglophobes) in the media were discussing a new patron saint and flag because St George was too war-like and the flag itself was deemed to offend Muslims owing to the Crusades (and quite possibly the modern day EDL!).  Now don't get me wrong I wouldn't give these people the right to air such rubbish but a new flag and saint was seriously discussed.

St Alban was considered but like St George he was a saint around a time before England existed.  St Edmund on the other hand was also brought to the table and the debate but that was the last I heard of it.

Think of it this way; if we wanted to restore St Edmund for OUR reasons the pc elite would be likely endorse it for THEIR reasons.